An extension of the Lindstr\"om-Gessel-Viennot theorem
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The pith
For weighted DAGs with upward planar drawings, the total weight of non-intersecting path families equals a determinant of signed single-path counts.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
In a weighted directed acyclic graph G that admits an upward planar drawing, the total weight of families of non-intersecting paths with given starting and ending points equals the determinant of the matrix whose (i,j) entry is the signed sum of the weights of all paths from the i-th starting point to the j-th ending point.
What carries the argument
The determinant whose entries are signed counts of all paths between individual starts and ends; it converts the signed LGV enumeration into the unsigned total weight.
If this is right
- The identity supplies the unsigned total weight for any collection of starts and ends on such a graph.
- The matrix entries require only ordinary (possibly intersecting) path counts, which are often easier to compute than the non-intersecting ones.
- The result applies to any weighting, not merely the unweighted case.
- It recovers the classical Lindström-Gessel-Viennot signed determinant when signs are restored according to permutation parity.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The same determinant construction may be testable on families of graphs that are planar but not upward planar, to see where the identity first fails.
- If the determinant can be evaluated in closed form for particular graphs, it would immediately give closed formulas for the total non-intersecting path weight on those graphs.
- The formula might extend to counting non-intersecting paths with additional constraints such as prescribed lengths or heights, provided the upward planar condition still holds.
Load-bearing premise
The graph admits an upward planar drawing.
What would settle it
A concrete weighted DAG without an upward planar drawing together with explicit start and end sets where the directly enumerated total weight of non-intersecting path families differs from the value of the proposed determinant.
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read the original abstract
Consider a weighted directed acyclic graph $G$ having an upward planar drawing. We give a formula for the total weight of the families of non-intersecting paths on $G$ with any given starting and ending points. While the Lindstr\"om-Gessel-Viennot theorem gives the signed enumeration of these weights (according to the connection type), our result provides the straight count, expressing it as a determinant whose entries are signed counts of lattice paths with given starting and ending points.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript extends the Lindström-Gessel-Viennot theorem to weighted directed acyclic graphs G that admit an upward planar drawing. It claims a formula for the total (unsigned) weight of non-intersecting path families with given starts and ends, expressed as a determinant whose entries are signed counts of lattice paths between the corresponding points.
Significance. If correct, the result would supply a direct determinant expression for the positive total weight under the stated geometric hypothesis, complementing the signed enumeration of the classical LGV theorem. The explicit upward-planar condition clarifies the scope and avoids overclaiming generality.
major comments (1)
- [Main result / proof] The abstract states the determinant identity but the derivation converting the planar embedding into the claimed determinant of signed lattice-path counts is not visible; without the proof or lemmas, the central claim cannot be verified.
minor comments (1)
- [Abstract] The abstract refers to 'lattice paths' for the matrix entries while G is an arbitrary weighted DAG; a brief clarification of how the lattice-path counts are obtained from the general graph would aid readability.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their report and for noting the potential significance of the result. We address the major comment below.
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Referee: [Main result / proof] The abstract states the determinant identity but the derivation converting the planar embedding into the claimed determinant of signed lattice-path counts is not visible; without the proof or lemmas, the central claim cannot be verified.
Authors: The full derivation appears in the body of the manuscript (not the abstract). Theorem 1.1 states the determinant formula. Its proof occupies Section 3 and proceeds by first using the upward-planar embedding to induce a consistent signing on all paths (Definition 2.4 and Lemma 2.5), then showing that the signed sum over all (possibly intersecting) path families equals the determinant of the signed path-count matrix (Lemma 3.2), and finally invoking the classical LGV sign-reversing involution on intersecting families to obtain the unsigned non-intersecting count. The conversion from the geometric embedding to the signed matrix entries is therefore explicit in Lemmas 2.5 and 3.2 together with the proof of Theorem 1.1. If any specific step remains unclear we are prepared to expand the exposition. revision: no
Circularity Check
No significant circularity in derivation chain
full rationale
The paper extends the standard Lindström-Gessel-Viennot theorem by invoking the explicit geometric assumption of an upward planar drawing on G. The central claim is that this condition permits expressing the unsigned total weight of non-intersecting path families as a determinant whose entries are signed lattice-path counts. No equation reduces the claimed identity to a fitted parameter, a self-definition, or a load-bearing self-citation; the LGV signed enumeration is treated as an external input, and the new determinant formula is asserted to follow from the planar embedding. The derivation is therefore self-contained against the stated assumption and the classical theorem.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- domain assumption G is a weighted directed acyclic graph that admits an upward planar drawing.
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