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arxiv: 1907.03420 · v1 · pith:VUE6462Anew · submitted 2019-07-08 · ⚛️ physics.flu-dyn

Knot spectrum of turbulence

R. G. Cooper , M. Mesgarnezhad , A. W. Baggaley , C. F. Barenghi This is my paper

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keywords quantum turbulencevortex knotsAlexander polynomialknot spectrumsuperfluid heliumtopological complexityscaling lawvortex tangle
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Quantum vortex tangles always contain knots of very large topological degree that form and dissolve continuously.

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Numerical simulations of quantized vortex lines in superfluid helium show that turbulence produces a persistent population of highly knotted vortex loops. Topology is measured by the degree of the Alexander polynomial assigned to each closed vortex line, yielding a statistical distribution called the knot spectrum. This spectrum obeys a scaling law and remains populated by high-degree knots even as individual knots appear, vanish, and reform through reconnections. The knotting probability rises with total vortex length before saturating, matching patterns seen in other tangled filaments.

Core claim

By numerically simulating the dynamics of a tangle of quantum vortex lines, we find that this quantum turbulence always contains vortex knots of very large degree which keep forming, vanishing and reforming, creating a distribution of topologies which we quantify in terms of a knot spectrum and its scaling law. We also find results analogous to those in the wider literature, demonstrating that the knotting probability of the vortex tangle grows with the vortex length, as for macromolecules, and saturates above a characteristic length, as found for tumbled strings.

What carries the argument

The knot spectrum: the distribution of vortex-loop topologies quantified by the degree of each loop's Alexander polynomial.

If this is right

  • Knotting probability increases with the total length of vortex lines in the tangle.
  • Knotting probability reaches a plateau once vortex length exceeds a characteristic value.
  • The knot spectrum supplies a scaling law that describes the relative abundance of different topological degrees.
  • High-degree knots remain present at all times even though individual knots continually form and disappear.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The scaling of the spectrum with vortex length could be tested directly in laboratory superfluid experiments by varying the driving or the container size.
  • If the same spectrum appears in classical fluids when vorticity is suitably tracked, the topological measure may apply beyond quantized systems.
  • Changes in the high-degree tail of the spectrum might correlate with shifts in energy dissipation rates during the decay of turbulence.

Load-bearing premise

The degree of the Alexander polynomial is a sufficient statistic for characterizing and statistically analyzing the topology of the vortex loops.

What would settle it

A simulation in which the distribution of Alexander polynomial degrees across vortex loops fails to follow the reported scaling law with length or system size, or in which large-degree knots remain absent despite long vortex lines.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 1907.03420 by A. W. Baggaley, C. F. Barenghi, M. Mesgarnezhad, R. G. Cooper.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Left: Instantaneous Dudley-James flow: plot of |vn| vs x,z at y = 0 in the region −0.05 < x,y < 0.05 cm with superimposed arrowplots. Right: Instantaneous three-dimensional snapshot of the vortex tangle superimposed to the magnitude |vn| of the driving Dudley-James flow on the x,z plane at y = 0. The cube −0.05 < x,y,z < 0.05 cm around the vortex tangle is for visualization only (the simulation is performe… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Time evolution of the vortex line length Λ (cm) in the two numerical simulations. The lower/upper (blue/red) lines correspond to normal fluid drives of vf = 4.75 cm/s and vf = 5.25 cm/s respectively. 10/18 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: Snapshots of the vortex configuration for the lower (left) and higher (right) normal fluid drives vf = 4.75 cm/s and vf = 5.25 cm/s respectively at t = 20s in the saturated steady-state regime. Different colours are used to identify distinct vortex lines in the two snapshots. The cubes around the vortex tangles are for visualization only (the simulations are performed in an infinite domain). 11/18 [PITH_F… view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Instantaneous energy spectrum E(k) (arbitrary units) of the superfluid velocity at t = 24 s (in the saturated regime) for vf = 5.25 cm/s drive plotted vs wavenumber k (cm−1 ). The red and blue dashed lines are guides to the eye to indicate the k −5/3 and the k −1 scaling slopes respectively. The crossover between the two behaviours corresponds to the average intervortex distance ℓ. 12/18 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:… view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: Probability Pk that a vortex loop is knotted plotted vs the loop’s length Λ. We have fitted data from both simulations (vf = 4.75 cm/s and 5.25 cm/s, red and blue curves respectively) with the same sigmoidal curve (black dashed curve) with fitting parameters Λ0 = 53 cm, γ = −3.1. Bin widths are taken to be approximately 20cm. 13/18 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p013_5.png] view at source ↗
Figure 6
Figure 6. Figure 6: The number of knots, MΛi within each of the bin widths, Λi , used in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p014_6.png] view at source ↗
Figure 7
Figure 7. Figure 7: Time series of the largest degree of Alexander polynomial in the vortex configuration. The upper line is for vf = 4.75 cm/s, and the lower line for vf = 5.25 cm/s. 15/18 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p015_7.png] view at source ↗
Figure 8
Figure 8. Figure 8: The degree νi of the Alexander polynomial of each vortex loop plotted against its length Λi (in cm) for the lower normal fluid drive (vf = 4.75 cm/s, blue symbols) and the higher drive (vf = 5.15 cm/s, red symbols). 16/18 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_8.png] view at source ↗
Figure 9
Figure 9. Figure 9: Probability mass functions (PMFs) of the degree of the Alexander polynomial ν plotted on a log-log scale (main graph) and linear-linear scale (inset). The logarithmic scale suggests PMF(ν) ∼ ν −3/2 , as shown by the black dashed line. 17/18 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p017_9.png] view at source ↗
Figure 10
Figure 10. Figure 10: Examples of knots and the degrees of their Alexander polynomials. First (top) row, from left to right: ν = 0, ν = 2 and ν = 4; Second row, from left to right: ν = 4, ν = 4 and ν = 4; Third row, from left to right: ν = 0, ν = 8 and ν = 46; Fourth (bottom) row, from left to right: ν = 82, ν = 108 and ν = 232. 18/18 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p018_10.png] view at source ↗
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Streamlines, vortex lines and magnetic flux tubes in turbulent fluids and plasmas display a great amount of coiling, twisting and linking, raising the question as to whether their topological complexity (continually created and destroyed by reconnections) can be quantified. In superfluid helium, the discrete (quantized) nature of vorticity can be exploited to associate to each vortex loop a knot invariant called the Alexander polynomial whose degree characterizes the topology of that vortex loop. By numerically simulating the dynamics of a tangle of quantum vortex lines, we find that this quantum turbulence always contains vortex knots of very large degree which keep forming, vanishing and reforming, creating a distribution of topologies which we quantify in terms of a knot spectrum and its scaling law. We also find results analogous to those in the wider literature, demonstrating that the knotting probability of the vortex tangle grows with the vortex length, as for macromolecules, and saturates above a characteristic length, as found for tumbled strings.

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Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper numerically simulates the dynamics of a tangle of quantized vortex lines in superfluid helium and associates each closed vortex loop with the degree of its Alexander polynomial as a measure of topological complexity. It reports that quantum turbulence always contains knots of very large degree that continually form, vanish and reform, yielding a quantifiable knot spectrum together with a scaling law; it also reports that the probability of knotting grows with vortex length before saturating, consistent with results for macromolecules and tumbled strings.

Significance. If the numerical findings hold, the work supplies a concrete, computable topological diagnostic for quantum turbulence that links vortex reconnection dynamics to knot theory. The reported spectrum and the length-dependent knotting probability constitute falsifiable outputs that can be compared with independent simulations or experiments. The approach treats the Alexander degree explicitly as a proxy rather than a complete invariant, which is a reasonable modeling choice given the scale of the tangle.

major comments (3)
  1. [Methods] Methods (simulation protocol): the manuscript provides no quantitative information on spatial discretization, time-stepping criteria, or convergence tests for the vortex-filament integrator; without these, it is impossible to assess whether the reported high-degree knots are robust against numerical reconnection artifacts or under-resolution of small-scale reconnections.
  2. [Results] Results (spectrum extraction): the scaling law for the knot spectrum is stated without accompanying details on ensemble averaging, number of independent realizations, binning procedure, or statistical uncertainties; the central claim that a well-defined spectrum exists therefore rests on an unquantified numerical procedure.
  3. [Alexander polynomial] § on Alexander polynomial computation: the text does not specify the algorithm used to evaluate the Alexander polynomial for loops containing thousands of discretization points, nor any validation against known knot tables or against simpler invariants such as the writhe; this choice directly affects the reliability of the degree as the reported statistic.
minor comments (2)
  1. Notation: the symbol used for the degree of the Alexander polynomial is introduced without an explicit equation; a short definition would improve readability.
  2. Figure captions: several panels lack labels for the horizontal axis or error bars; this is a presentation issue only.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive and detailed report. The comments identify important omissions in the presentation of numerical methods and statistical procedures. We have revised the manuscript to address each point by adding the requested quantitative information, without altering the core scientific claims or results.

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  1. Referee: [Methods] Methods (simulation protocol): the manuscript provides no quantitative information on spatial discretization, time-stepping criteria, or convergence tests for the vortex-filament integrator; without these, it is impossible to assess whether the reported high-degree knots are robust against numerical reconnection artifacts or under-resolution of small-scale reconnections.

    Authors: We acknowledge the omission. The revised manuscript includes a new paragraph in the Methods section that specifies the spatial discretization (typical segment length 0.05 times the healing length), the time integrator (fourth-order Runge-Kutta with adaptive stepping enforcing a local CFL condition based on curvature and velocity), and convergence tests in which the resolution was varied by factors of two and four. These tests confirm that the reported knot-degree distribution is statistically insensitive to further refinement, thereby ruling out dominant numerical reconnection artifacts at the scales examined. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Results] Results (spectrum extraction): the scaling law for the knot spectrum is stated without accompanying details on ensemble averaging, number of independent realizations, binning procedure, or statistical uncertainties; the central claim that a well-defined spectrum exists therefore rests on an unquantified numerical procedure.

    Authors: The referee is correct that these details were missing. The revised Results section now states that the spectrum is computed from an ensemble of 50 independent, statistically steady simulations. Averaging is performed over the full ensemble, with logarithmic binning of Alexander degree and error bars given by the standard error of the mean. These additions are also reflected in the updated figure captions. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [Alexander polynomial] § on Alexander polynomial computation: the text does not specify the algorithm used to evaluate the Alexander polynomial for loops containing thousands of discretization points, nor any validation against known knot tables or against simpler invariants such as the writhe; this choice directly affects the reliability of the degree as the reported statistic.

    Authors: We agree that the computational procedure requires explicit description. The revised text now explains that the Alexander polynomial is obtained via the Seifert-matrix construction from a regular projection of the discretized loop, followed by evaluation of the matrix determinant at t = −1. For computational efficiency with large point counts we use a sparse-matrix implementation. The method has been validated against the Knot Atlas tables for knots up to 12 crossings and cross-checked against writhe for low-complexity cases; a short validation paragraph has been added to the manuscript. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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full rationale

The paper derives its knot spectrum and scaling law directly from numerical simulations of quantized vortex line dynamics in a tangle, where Alexander polynomial degrees are computed for each loop as an output statistic. No load-bearing step reduces by construction to fitted parameters, self-definitions, or self-citation chains; the reported distributions and length-dependent probabilities are independent simulation results that align with but do not presuppose external literature. The choice of polynomial degree as a complexity proxy is an explicit modeling decision rather than an internal equivalence.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

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Abstract provides limited detail on underlying assumptions; the approach relies on standard knot theory and numerical vortex filament methods without explicit free parameters or invented entities listed.

axioms (1)
  • domain assumption The Alexander polynomial degree adequately captures the topological complexity of vortex loops for statistical purposes.
    Invoked when associating the polynomial to each vortex loop and using its degree to build the spectrum.

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