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arxiv: 1907.06443 · v1 · pith:HJNR4ULRnew · submitted 2019-07-15 · 🌌 astro-ph.SR · astro-ph.HE

Radiation intensity and polarization from accretion discs with progressive increasing height

N. A. Silant'ev , G. A. Alekseeva , V. V. Novikov This is my paper

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keywords accretion discspolarizationSeyfert galaxiesspectral linesconical surfaceposition anglesMilne problem
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The conical shape of accretion discs produces opposite polarization position angles in the red and blue wings of spectral lines.

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The paper models optically thick accretion discs as cones with progressively increasing height rather than flat planes. Radiation emerges from rings on the cone surface and is calculated using solutions to the Milne problem for intensity and polarization at local inclinations of 15° and 30°. For continuum light the net polarization is lower than in flat-disc cases, and the position angle of the observed radiation lies parallel to the central disc plane. The geometry alone makes the position angles from the right and left sides of each ring opposite each other. This supplies a direct explanation for the reversal of position angles between the red and blue wings of emission lines that is seen in many Seyfert galaxies.

Core claim

Radiation emerging from the right and left parts of each conical ring has polarization position angles that are opposite one another, fixed solely by the geometry of the inclined surface. Consequently the net observed continuum polarization direction is parallel to the central plane of the accretion disc, while the same geometric effect produces opposite position angles in the red and blue wings of spectral lines.

What carries the argument

The conical disc surface, treated as a set of rings at fixed inclinations whose emergent intensity and polarization are taken from Milne-problem solutions for the chosen observer angles.

If this is right

  • Continuum polarization is smaller than the value calculated for a flat disc at the same observer inclination.
  • The position angle of the integrated continuum radiation remains parallel to the central plane regardless of the specific ring inclination.
  • Position angles in the red and blue wings of a spectral line are opposite each other because each wing samples emission from opposite sides of the conical rings.
  • The effect holds for observer inclinations of 30°, 45° and 60° when ring inclinations are 15° or 30°.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same geometric reversal should appear in any emission line formed above a conical disc surface, not only in the lines already observed.
  • If the opening angle of the cone changes with radius or accretion rate, the amplitude of the position-angle swing between wings should also change.
  • The model predicts that the reversal vanishes for a perfectly flat disc, providing a direct test against sources whose geometry is independently constrained to be flat.

Load-bearing premise

The accretion disc surface can be treated as a cone whose rings emit radiation whose intensity and polarization are given by the Milne problem solutions for the chosen ring inclinations.

What would settle it

High-resolution spectropolarimetry of a Seyfert galaxy whose disc inclination is independently known would show whether the position-angle reversal between red and blue wings matches the sign and magnitude predicted for a conical surface at the observed angles.

read the original abstract

The article considers the optically thick accretion discs with the progressive increasing height. The surface is assumed to be the conical form. The radiation with considered wavelength emerges from an ring on the cone and is described by the Milne problem for the intensity and polarization. The inclination angles of the rings are taken 15 and 30 grad. The inclination angles between the line of sight and the normal to the central accretion disc plane are taken 30, 45, 60 grad for every value of the ring inclination. For the continuum radiation the polarization of the emerging light is less than that in the case of the plane accretion disc. The polarization position angles of radiation emerging from the right and left parts of the ring are opposite one another. They are determined by the geometry of the problem. The position angle of the observed continuum radiation is parallel to the central plane of the accretion disc. Our theory gives the new explanation of that the position angles in "red" and "blue" wings of a spectral line are opposite one another. This behavior exists in many Seyfert galaxies.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

1 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript models optically thick accretion discs of progressively increasing height as conical surfaces. It solves the Milne problem for intensity and polarization emerging from rings at fixed inclinations of 15° and 30°, viewed at observer inclinations of 30°, 45°, and 60° relative to the disc normal. Reported results include lower polarization than for flat discs, opposite position angles from the right and left halves of each ring (set by geometry), and a net observed continuum position angle parallel to the central plane. The geometry is offered as a new explanation for the opposite position angles observed in the red and blue wings of spectral lines in many Seyfert galaxies.

Significance. If the geometric mechanism can be shown to survive line formation and projection, the model supplies a parameter-free geometric account of position-angle reversals that could be tested against existing spectropolarimetric data on AGN. The use of standard Milne-problem solutions for the local emergent radiation is a clear methodological strength.

major comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that the conical geometry supplies a new explanation for opposite position angles in the red and blue wings of spectral lines rests on an untested identification between the geometric halves of a ring and the kinematic wings; the manuscript performs no velocity-field integration, Doppler mapping, or line radiative transfer, so the sign reversal is not demonstrated to survive after line formation and projection.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: replace the non-standard abbreviation 'grad' with the degree symbol °.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract: the summary of results would be strengthened by reporting at least one numerical polarization value or ratio obtained from the Milne solutions.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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Thank you for the opportunity to respond to the referee's report. We address the major comment regarding the abstract's claim below. We agree that the link to spectral lines is suggestive rather than fully demonstrated and will make appropriate revisions.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that the conical geometry supplies a new explanation for opposite position angles in the red and blue wings of spectral lines rests on an untested identification between the geometric halves of a ring and the kinematic wings; the manuscript performs no velocity-field integration, Doppler mapping, or line radiative transfer, so the sign reversal is not demonstrated to survive after line formation and projection.

    Authors: We thank the referee for highlighting this important point. The manuscript demonstrates that for continuum radiation from the conical disc, the position angles from the left and right halves of the ring are opposite due to the geometry, independent of any line formation details. This is calculated using the standard Milne problem solutions at the specified inclinations. The suggestion that this explains the opposite PAs in red and blue wings of spectral lines in Seyfert galaxies is based on the fact that, in standard kinematic models of rotating discs, the blue wing arises from the approaching side and the red from the receding side, which map to the two halves in our ring model. However, we acknowledge that without explicit velocity integration or line radiative transfer, the survival of the effect through line formation is not explicitly shown. To address this, we will revise the abstract to clarify that the conical geometry provides a geometric mechanism for opposite position angles in the continuum from symmetric disc parts, offering a potential explanation for the observed line wing behavior that can be tested with future detailed modeling. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity; forward calculation from conical ansatz and Milne solutions

full rationale

The paper assumes a conical surface for the accretion disc and solves the standard Milne problem for intensity and polarization at fixed ring inclinations (15°/30°), viewed at 30°–60°. The opposite position angles for right/left ring halves follow directly from the geometry and Stokes parameters of the Milne solutions; this is a direct computation, not a self-definition or fitted input renamed as prediction. The extension to opposite PAs in red/blue spectral-line wings is asserted without velocity fields or line transfer, but this is an unsupported claim rather than a circular reduction of the derivation to its inputs. No self-citations, uniqueness theorems, or ansatz smuggling appear in the load-bearing steps. The central continuum results are independent of the line-wing assertion.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 2 axioms · 0 invented entities

The model rests on standard radiative-transfer assumptions applied to a specific conical geometry. No free parameters or new physical entities are introduced in the abstract.

axioms (2)
  • domain assumption Radiation from rings on the conical surface is described by the Milne problem for intensity and polarization.
    Core modeling choice stated in the abstract.
  • domain assumption The accretion disc surface is optically thick and has a conical form with progressive increasing height.
    Geometric premise of the calculation.

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