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Bounding the Kirby-Thompson invariant of spun knots

Rom\'an Aranda , Puttipong Pongtanapaisan , Scott A. Taylor , Cindy Zhang This is my paper

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keywords spun knotsbridge trisectionKirby-Thompson invariantpants complexspun trefoilsurface knotsfour-dimensional topologyknot invariants
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The Kirby-Thompson invariant of the spun trefoil equals 15.

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The paper establishes concrete bounds on the Kirby-Thompson invariant for spun knots by decomposing their surfaces in four-space into bridge trisections. It computes the invariant through pairwise distances between disc sets inside the pants complex of the central surface. For the spun trefoil the calculation produces the exact value 15. A reader would care because the invariant supplies a numerical measure of how complicated a four-dimensional surface presentation must be.

Core claim

The authors prove that a particular bridge trisection of the spun trefoil has disc sets whose distances in the pants complex yield a Kirby-Thompson invariant of exactly 15, supplying the first significant bounds for any spun knot.

What carries the argument

The Kirby-Thompson invariant of a bridge trisection, obtained as the maximum of the three pairwise distances between the disc sets in the pants complex of the trisection surface.

If this is right

  • The Kirby-Thompson invariant is finite for at least one nontrivial spun knot.
  • Explicit numerical values rather than abstract existence bounds are now available for this class of surfaces.
  • The same distance-computation technique applies directly to other spun knots whose bridge trisections are known.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same method may produce explicit values for the invariants of spun versions of other classical knots.
  • If 15 turns out to be minimal, it would give a lower bound on the trisection complexity of that particular surface in four-space.
  • The result suggests that pants-complex distances can serve as a practical computational tool for other four-dimensional knot invariants.

Load-bearing premise

The chosen bridge trisection of the spun trefoil admits disc sets whose pairwise pants-complex distances are precisely those that produce the number 15.

What would settle it

Discovery of any bridge trisection of the spun trefoil in which the maximum pairwise distance among the three disc sets is strictly less than 15.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2112.02420 by Cindy Zhang, Puttipong Pongtanapaisan, Rom\'an Aranda, Scott A. Taylor.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: A p3b ´ 2, bq-bridge tri-plane diagram for the spin SpKq of the b-bridge knot K given in bridge position (left). We will denote the tangles by T12, T13, and T23 from left to right. We note the following: Theorem 2.5 (Meier-Zupan [14]). If K Ă S 3 has bpKq “ 2, then bpSpKqq “ 4. Consequently, if T is a p4; c1, c2, c3q-trisection for a spun 2-bridge knot, then each ci “ 2. Proof. We defer to [14, Section 5] … view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Defining LpTq via efficient defining pairs. The ellipses represent the disk sets. The line joining p i ij to p j ij represents a geodesic path in the pants complex, which has length bpT q ´ ci for a pbpT q, c1, c2, c2q-bridge trisection. 2.5 Reducibility and Stabilization of Bridge Trisection We provide two related ways in which a bridge trisection may have higher bridge number than necessary: reducibility… view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: The arrangement of arcs from Lemma 2.12. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: The link Lj “ Tij Y Tjk in bridge position. The arc α is a shadow for arcs in Tij and Tik. Proof. Suppose for the sake of contradiction that |γ Xψ| “ 2. Let Q be a cut-reducing sphere such that Q X Σ “ ψ. Cut open pS 3 , Lj q along Q and glue in (3-ball, unknotted arc) pairs pB3 , α1q and pB3 , α2q to obtain pS 3 , λ1q and pS 3 , λ2q. In the 3-balls that we glued in we may find once punctured disks whose b… view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Various subsurfaces of Σ. existence of a shadow arc c for both Tkj and Tij with c X c 1 “ Bc X Bc 1 “ tpu. By Lemma 2.13 we conclude that T is stabilized. Lemma 3.9. Suppose e is an edge in PpΣq with initial endpoint at p i ij then e does not move γ1 to any ψn-loop in p j ij . Similarly, if e is an edge in PpΣq with terminal endpoint at p j ij , then e does not move any γn-loop of p i ij to ψ1. Proof of Le… view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: When the reducing curve bounds four punctures, the two cut curves lie on distinct sides. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_6.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 7. Figure 7: A close look at the A-move γ1 ÞÑ ψ2. Focus on h 1 1 P p j jk. If h 1 1 bounds two punctures, we can proceed as in the previous paragraph and conclude that the bridge trisection is stabilized. Thus h 1 1 must bound four punctures. Here, h 1 1 bounds q and the curve ψ3. By focusing in such disk (see [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p016_7.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 8. Figure 8: Two subcases, depending in the number of punctures bounded by [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p018_8.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 9. Figure 9: How the curves in Σ look for specific A-moves. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p018_9.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 10. Figure 10: The three possibilities occuring in Case 2b. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p019_10.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 11. Figure 11: Two paths. We focus on the sub path of λ corresponding to the consecutive A-moves γ1 ÞÑ θ followed by γ3 ÞÑ ψ3. The second A-move occurs inside a 4-holes sphere with boundaries associated to t, r, f1 and θ (see [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p020_11.png] view at source ↗
Figure 12
Figure 12. Figure 12: Curves interacting in the consecutive A-moves [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p021_12.png] view at source ↗
Figure 13
Figure 13. Figure 13: When γ1 and ψ2 differ by one A-move, there are either (a) three or (b) four curves disjoint from γ1 bounding an even number of punctures. Subcase 2a: γ1 moves once along λ. Recall that γ1, ψ1, f1 “ h1, and f2 “ h2 bound compressing disks in Tij and γ1, ψ1 bound two punctures. Thus, |γn X α| and |ψ1 X α| are both divisible by four for all α P tγ1, ψ1, f1 “ h1, f2 “ h2u. This implies that γ 1 1 must bound a… view at source ↗
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Figure 14. Figure 14: A close-up to some curves in Subcase 2b(i). [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p024_14.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 15. Figure 15: Curve arrangements for specific A-moves. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p026_15.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 16. Figure 16: Shadows. The only remaining option is if θ bounds four punctures. Since only tf1 “ h1, f2 “ h2u are curves disjoint from γ1 that bound an even number of punctures, we can draw the curves in Σ before the A-move γ1 ÞÑ θ as in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p027_16.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 17. Figure 17: Bridge positions and efficient defining pairs for the links [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p029_17.png] view at source ↗
Figure 18
Figure 18. Figure 18: Three paths of length five between p i ij and p j ij . f˘ bounds two punctures, (2) f` and f´ bound one common puncture, and (3) |f` X f´| “ 2. Observe that if c˘ is the shadow for the bridge disk in the perturbation, then f˘ “ Bηc˘. A perturbation system is a finite collection of perturbation pairs tpc n ´, cn `qun with pairwise disjoint interiors such that Ť n pc n ` Yc n ´q contains no circles in the b… view at source ↗
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Figure 19. Figure 19: Bridge presentations for the links Lε,δ¯ “ Tε Y Tδ. For the b-bridge links in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p030_19.png] view at source ↗
Figure 20
Figure 20. Figure 20: By construction, both G ˘ ε,δ¯ ppq are a pants decompositions of Σ6b´4. Furthermore, the functions tG ˘ ε,δ¯upε,δ¯q satisfy several properties described in the following lemma. = = = K: ` 12, 13˘ : ` 13, 23˘ : ` 23, 12˘ : 1 2 3 4 5 5 5 3 33 3 3 5 5 5 µ ` 12,13 φ12,13 µ ´ 12,13 µ ´ µ ` φ13,23 µ ´ 23,12 µ ` 23,12 φ23,12 2b ´ 1 2b ´ 2 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p030_20.png] view at source ↗
Figure 21
Figure 21. Figure 21: If we perform the sequence of A-moves inside each component of [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p032_21.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 22. Figure 22: Upper bound for LpT q. 5 = = = 5 5 = 3 = = 5 3 3 3 Σ4 1 2 3 4 B ` 12, 13˘` ` 23, 12˘´ ` 23, 12˘` ` 13, 23˘´ ` 13, 23˘` ` 12, 13˘´ [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p033_22.png] view at source ↗
Figure 23
Figure 23. Figure 23: Paths of length three between G ` ε,δ¯ pp1q and G´ ρ,ε¯ pp1q. 33 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p033_23.png] view at source ↗
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A bridge trisection of a smooth surface in $S^4$ is a decomposition analogous to a bridge splitting of a link in $S^3$. The Kirby-Thompson invariant of a bridge trisection measures its complexity in terms of distances between disc sets in the pants complex of the trisection surface. We give the first significant bounds for the Kirby-Thompson invariant of spun knots. In particular, we show that the Kirby-Thompson invariant of the spun trefoil is 15.

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Summary. The manuscript defines the Kirby-Thompson invariant of a bridge trisection of a surface in S^4 via distances in the pants complex of the trisection surface. It constructs explicit bridge trisections for spun knots and computes pairwise distances between the associated disc sets, establishing that the invariant of the spun trefoil equals 15 and supplying upper and lower bounds for other spun knots.

Significance. If the distance calculations hold, the work supplies the first explicit non-trivial values of the Kirby-Thompson invariant for any infinite family of knotted surfaces. The concrete computation for the spun trefoil furnishes a benchmark that can be used to test future trisection constructions or to compare with other 4-dimensional invariants.

minor comments (3)
  1. §3, Figure 2: the labeling of the three disc sets D1, D2, D3 on the trisection surface is not indicated on the diagram; adding arrows or a legend would make the distance computation in the subsequent paragraph easier to follow.
  2. §4.2, paragraph after Eq. (3): the phrase 'the minimal distance is realized by the curves shown' should cite the specific curves in the pants complex rather than referring only to the figure.
  3. The bibliography is missing the reference to the original definition of the pants complex distance used in the distance formula; add the appropriate citation.

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We thank the referee for their positive assessment of the manuscript, including the recognition that it supplies the first explicit non-trivial values of the Kirby-Thompson invariant for an infinite family of knotted surfaces and that the computation for the spun trefoil provides a useful benchmark. The recommendation for minor revision is noted. No major comments appear in the report, so we address none point-by-point below.

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full rationale

The paper's central result is a direct computational bound obtained by constructing an explicit bridge trisection of the spun trefoil and calculating pairwise distances between disc sets in the pants complex to arrive at the value 15. No equation, definition, or cited premise reduces the claimed invariant value to a fitted parameter, self-referential definition, or load-bearing self-citation chain; the derivation is self-contained against the external definition of the Kirby-Thompson invariant and the pants complex.

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