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On the Subspace Orbit Problem and the Simultaneous Skolem Problem

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The Orbit Problem is decidable when the target subspace has dimension logarithmic in the ambient dimension.

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The paper proves that reachability of a matrix orbit into a target subspace is decidable provided the subspace dimension is at most logarithmic in the ambient dimension. Over the rationals the same algorithm places the problem in NP^RP. When the target dimension instead grows linearly with the ambient dimension, the problem is shown to be computationally as hard as the long-open Skolem Problem. The result extends the known polynomial-time case for a single point and the decidability result for dimension-3 targets.

Core claim

We show that the Orbit Problem is decidable if the target subspace has dimension logarithmic in the dimension of the orbit. Over rationals, we moreover obtain a complexity bound NP^RP in this case. On the other hand, we show that the version of the Orbit Problem where the dimension of the target subspace is linear in the dimension of the orbit is as hard as the Skolem Problem.

What carries the argument

A dimension-dependent reduction that converts the logarithmic-dimensional reachability question into an instance whose size is polynomial in the input, thereby inheriting decidability and NP^RP membership from known algorithms for low-dimensional cases.

If this is right

  • Decidability holds for all target subspaces of dimension O(log n) in ambient dimension n.
  • Over the rationals the same instances lie in NP^RP.
  • Linear-dimensional targets are at least as hard as Skolem's problem for linear recurrence sequences.
  • The gap between logarithmic and linear dimension marks the current boundary between known decidable and Skolem-hard regimes.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The logarithmic threshold may be improvable to a slightly larger function of n, such as polylog, without changing the proof strategy.
  • Similar dimension-restricted decidability results could apply to the simultaneous Skolem problem mentioned in the title.
  • If the logarithmic bound is tight, intermediate dimensions between log n and linear n would become the next natural target for complexity classification.

Load-bearing premise

The target subspace dimension must remain at most logarithmic in the ambient dimension; without this bound the reduction technique fails and the problem becomes equivalent to the unresolved Skolem case.

What would settle it

An explicit matrix, starting vector, and logarithmic-dimensional target subspace for which an algorithm decides reachability in time outside NP^RP, or for which no algorithm exists.

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The Orbit Problem asks whether the orbit of a point under a matrix reaches a given target set. When the target is a single point, the problem was shown to be decidable in polynomial time by Kannan and Lipton. This decidability result was later extended by Chonev et al. to targets of dimension 3 (in arbitrary ambient dimension), but decidability remains open for subspaces of dimension 4. At the other extreme, the special case of the Orbit Problem in which the target set is a hyperplane of codimension 1 is equivalent to the Skolem Problem for linear recurrence sequences, whose decidability has been open for many decades. In this paper, we show that the Orbit Problem is decidable if the target subspace has dimension logarithmic in the dimension of the orbit. Over rationals, we moreover obtain a complexity bound NP^RP in this case. On the other hand, we show that the version of the Orbit Problem where the dimension of the target subspace is linear in the dimension of the orbit is as hard as the Skolem Problem.

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Referee Report

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Summary. This manuscript investigates the Subspace Orbit Problem, which generalizes the classical Orbit Problem by replacing a single target point with a target subspace. The central claims are that the problem is decidable when the target subspace has dimension logarithmic in the ambient dimension n, and that over the rationals this case admits an NP^RP algorithm. The authors further prove that the variant in which the target subspace has linear dimension in n is as hard as the Skolem Problem for linear recurrence sequences.

Significance. If the results hold, the work meaningfully advances the decidability landscape for orbit problems by identifying a non-trivial regime (logarithmic target dimension) where decidability and a concrete complexity bound can be established, while tightly linking the linear-dimension case to the long-open Skolem problem. The reduction techniques via enumeration of bases and effective Diophantine approximation, together with the nondeterministic certificate plus RP oracle for the complexity bound, constitute useful technical contributions that may apply to related matrix-semigroup and linear-algebraic decision problems.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract and Section 1: the decidability claim for target subspaces of dimension O(log n) rests on an enumeration of candidate bases followed by a reduction to effective Diophantine approximation or matrix-semigroup problems; the manuscript must explicitly treat edge cases such as characteristic polynomials with repeated roots and base-field extensions, as these are load-bearing for confirming that the algorithm remains effective without post-hoc restrictions.
  2. [Section 1] Section 1 (hardness reduction): the embedding of a linear recurrence sequence into a subspace whose dimension is proportional to n is the key step establishing Skolem-hardness for the linear-dimension case; the reduction must be shown to preserve the Skolem instance exactly, without introducing extra assumptions on matrix entries or the underlying field.
minor comments (2)
  1. Standardize notation for ambient dimension and target-subspace dimension throughout; inconsistent use of n versus other symbols can obscure the logarithmic versus linear distinction.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract: consider stating the base of the logarithm explicitly when describing the dimension restriction, to aid precise complexity comparisons.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the careful and constructive review. The comments identify areas where additional explicit discussion would improve the manuscript's rigor. We address each major comment below and will revise the paper to incorporate the requested clarifications.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and Section 1: the decidability claim for target subspaces of dimension O(log n) rests on an enumeration of candidate bases followed by a reduction to effective Diophantine approximation or matrix-semigroup problems; the manuscript must explicitly treat edge cases such as characteristic polynomials with repeated roots and base-field extensions, as these are load-bearing for confirming that the algorithm remains effective without post-hoc restrictions.

    Authors: We agree that these edge cases require explicit treatment to fully substantiate the claims. The enumeration of bases proceeds via the rational canonical form, which handles repeated roots by working with the minimal polynomial and invariant factors rather than assuming distinct roots; the subsequent Diophantine approximation step then applies to the resulting linear forms in logarithms with the same effective bounds. For base-field extensions, the algorithm is formulated over the algebraic closure but reduces to computations in a finite extension of the rationals, where standard effective results on linear forms in logarithms continue to hold. In the revised manuscript we will insert a short subsection (or appendix paragraph) that walks through these cases explicitly, confirming that no post-hoc restrictions are needed. This is a presentational clarification; the core decidability and complexity results remain unchanged. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Section 1] Section 1 (hardness reduction): the embedding of a linear recurrence sequence into a subspace whose dimension is proportional to n is the key step establishing Skolem-hardness for the linear-dimension case; the reduction must be shown to preserve the Skolem instance exactly, without introducing extra assumptions on matrix entries or the underlying field.

    Authors: The reduction is constructed to be faithful. Given an LRS with rational coefficients, we embed it into a block-companion matrix acting on a vector space whose basis vectors encode the initial state and successive shifts; the target subspace is the span of these basis vectors (dimension linear in the order of the recurrence). Intersection of the orbit with this subspace occurs if and only if the original Skolem instance has a positive integer solution. All matrix entries remain in the same base field (Q or Z) as the input instance, and no auxiliary assumptions are imposed. We will revise Section 1 to include an explicit lemma stating the equivalence together with a short verification that the construction introduces neither field extensions nor extra constraints on the entries. revision: yes

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full rationale

The paper establishes new decidability and complexity results for the Subspace Orbit Problem restricted to target subspaces of dimension O(log n), via explicit algorithmic reductions to effective Diophantine approximation and matrix semigroup problems, together with a direct embedding hardness reduction from the Skolem Problem for the linear-dimension case. These steps rely on prior independent results by other authors (Kannan-Lipton, Chonev et al.) and on standard effective techniques in the logarithmic regime; no self-definitional equations, fitted inputs renamed as predictions, or load-bearing self-citations appear in the derivation chain. The central claims therefore remain self-contained and externally falsifiable.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The paper rests on standard facts from linear algebra over the rationals and complexity theory; no free parameters, ad-hoc axioms, or invented entities are introduced in the abstract.

axioms (1)
  • standard math Linear algebra and matrix iteration over the rationals behave as in standard undergraduate linear algebra.
    Invoked implicitly when discussing orbits and subspaces.

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