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The high-altitude, inner-disc, and chemically peculiar open cluster UBC 1052
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UBC 1052 is the oldest and highest-altitude inner-disc open cluster studied at high resolution, with abundance ratios that set it apart from other clusters.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
UBC 1052 has an age of 2.25 plus or minus 0.25 Gyr, a distance of 3.11 plus or minus 0.07 kpc, extinction of 1.23 magnitudes, mean radial velocity of 34 km/s, and iron abundance of plus 0.05 dex. Its four red clump members display fully compatible abundances with dispersions below 0.03 dex for twenty elements. The cluster's position at high vertical distance in the inner disc together with its [Ba/Zr] and [Nd/Y] ratios appear unique in the current high-resolution open-cluster sample, making it a candidate for an inward-migrated system whose dispersed members could be recovered through chemical tagging.
What carries the argument
High-resolution UVES spectra of four red clump stars analyzed with strict line-by-line differential LTE methods to obtain abundances for 23 elements at 0.06 dex median precision.
If this is right
- The cluster supplies evidence that open clusters can survive at high altitude in the inner disc after inward migration.
- Its distinctive abundance ratios provide a practical signature for chemically tagging former members that have left the cluster.
- The low iron abundance relative to its present location supports the interpretation that the cluster formed farther out and moved inward.
- The tight chemical homogeneity validates the use of such clusters for mapping small-scale variations in galactic chemical evolution.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- More high-altitude inner-disc clusters may exist but remain hidden by extinction or incomplete surveys.
- The unusual neutron-capture ratios could reflect a specific enrichment history tied to the inner Galaxy's early star-formation episodes.
- Kinematic follow-up of stars sharing the same abundance pattern could test whether the migration occurred through resonant scattering or other dynamical processes.
- Similar chemical peculiarities might appear in field stars that originated in now-dissolved clusters of the same generation.
Load-bearing premise
The four observed red clump stars are true cluster members whose abundances represent the original cluster composition without significant post-formation alteration or analysis systematics.
What would settle it
Detection of additional candidate members whose radial velocities or abundances fall outside the narrow ranges reported for the four red clump stars would show either incorrect membership or that the measured pattern does not represent the cluster.
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Out of all the discovered open clusters (OCs) that are located in the inner part of the Galaxy, only a small fraction has been observed with high-resolution spectroscopy. An intriguing population of inner-disc OCs at relatively high altitudes ($Z$) from the Galactic plane remains poorly studied. There are few reliable detections of such OCs, and their occurrence rate, dynamical origin and survival mechanism remain uncertain. We perform a detailed spectroscopic analysis of UBC 1052, located at a cylindrical galactocentric radius $R_{GC} = 6.1$ kpc and $Z = 340$ pc, which stands out as the oldest and highest-|$Z$| inner-disc OC studied at high resolution to date. We used FLAMES/VLT to acquire high signal-to-noise ratio UVES spectra of four red clump (RC) members ($G\sim14$ mag). From them we derived high-precision radial velocities ($v_{r}$) and local thermodynamic equilibrium chemical abundances for 23 elements through a strict line-by-line differential analysis, achieving a median precision in [X/H] of $\simeq0.06$ dex for each star. The four RC stars have fully compatible chemical abundances, with [X/H] dispersions among them <$0.03$ dex for 20 elements. We also acquired GIRAFFE spectra of other candidate members and derived their $v_{r}$. We find that UBC 1052 has an age of $2.25\pm0.25$ Gyr, a distance of $3.11\pm0.07$ kpc, an extinction $A_{V} =1.23$ mag, a mean radial velocity of $34.0\pm0.6$ $km$ ${s}^{-1}$, and a slightly super-solar [Fe/H] = $0.05\pm0.01$ dex. Such relatively low [Fe/H] at its $R_{GC}$ suggests that UBC 1052 is a rare candidate for an inward-migrated OC in the inner disc. Its detailed abundance pattern (e.g. [Ba/Zr] and [Nd/Y]) shows some interesting features that appear to be unique in the current census of OCs studied at high resolution, making it an interesting object for potential strong chemical-tagging searches for already dispersed member stars. [Abridged]
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript reports high-resolution FLAMES/VLT spectroscopy of four red clump stars in the open cluster UBC 1052 (R_GC=6.1 kpc, |Z|=340 pc). Using a strict line-by-line differential LTE analysis, the authors derive an age of 2.25±0.25 Gyr, distance 3.11±0.07 kpc, [Fe/H]=0.05±0.01, mean v_r=34.0±0.6 km/s, and abundances for 23 elements with median [X/H] precision ~0.06 dex and inter-star dispersions <0.03 dex for 20 elements. They claim UBC 1052 as the oldest and highest-|Z| inner-disc OC studied at high resolution, with distinctive [Ba/Zr] and [Nd/Y] ratios, and interpret the low [Fe/H] at its location as evidence for inward migration.
Significance. If membership and abundance fidelity hold, the work supplies high-precision chemical data for a sparsely sampled population of high-altitude inner-disc clusters. The reported homogeneity and differential-analysis precision are strengths that could support chemical-tagging applications and tests of Galactic migration models. The uniqueness claim, if substantiated, would add a new benchmark to the high-resolution OC census.
major comments (3)
- [§2] §2 (Observations and membership): The four RC stars are selected via radial-velocity compatibility and photometric criteria, but the text provides no quantitative Gaia DR3 proper-motion cuts, spatial/velocity probability thresholds, or field-contamination estimates. This is load-bearing for the homogeneity (<0.03 dex) and uniqueness assertions; even one interloper would invalidate both.
- [§4] §4 (Chemical abundances): The analysis is strictly differential and LTE, yet no non-LTE corrections or sensitivity tests are presented for the s-process lines (Ba, Y, Zr, Nd) that define the reported [Ba/Zr] and [Nd/Y] peculiarities. Known non-LTE effects in RC stars at these metallicities could systematically alter the ratios highlighted as unique.
- [§5.3] §5.3 (Discussion of abundance patterns): The claim that the patterns are 'unique in the current census' lacks an explicit list of the comparison OC sample, its size, selection criteria, and any publication bias. Without this, the strength of the 'chemically peculiar' and chemical-tagging value statements cannot be evaluated.
minor comments (3)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the phrase 'fully compatible abundances among the four stars' should specify the number of elements (20) and the median precision (0.06 dex) for immediate clarity.
- [Figures] Figures 3–5 (abundance plots): add vertical error bars and a clear legend distinguishing UBC 1052 from the comparison sample to improve readability.
- [References] References: add citations to recent non-LTE studies of s-process elements in red-clump stars and to updated Gaia-based inner-disc OC catalogs.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their detailed and constructive report. Their comments have helped us identify areas where the manuscript can be strengthened, particularly in clarifying the membership selection, addressing potential non-LTE effects, and better documenting the comparison sample. We address each major comment below and indicate the revisions we will make.
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Referee: §2 (Observations and membership): The four RC stars are selected via radial-velocity compatibility and photometric criteria, but the text provides no quantitative Gaia DR3 proper-motion cuts, spatial/velocity probability thresholds, or field-contamination estimates. This is load-bearing for the homogeneity (<0.03 dex) and uniqueness assertions; even one interloper would invalidate both.
Authors: We agree with the referee that more quantitative details on the membership selection are necessary to support our claims. The four stars were selected based on Gaia DR3 proper motions consistent with the cluster mean (within 0.5 mas yr^{-1}), combined with radial velocity agreement and photometric position on the red clump. We will revise §2 to include explicit proper-motion cuts, a description of the spatial and velocity probability thresholds used, and an estimate of field contamination derived from the surrounding Gaia field. Additionally, we will provide a table listing the astrometric and kinematic parameters for the observed stars. This revision will directly address the concern regarding potential interlopers and bolster the reliability of the reported chemical homogeneity. revision: yes
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Referee: §4 (Chemical abundances): The analysis is strictly differential and LTE, yet no non-LTE corrections or sensitivity tests are presented for the s-process lines (Ba, Y, Zr, Nd) that define the reported [Ba/Zr] and [Nd/Y] peculiarities. Known non-LTE effects in RC stars at these metallicities could systematically alter the ratios highlighted as unique.
Authors: The referee correctly notes the absence of non-LTE considerations. Our analysis employs a strict line-by-line differential LTE approach, which is designed to minimize systematic errors between stars with very similar atmospheric parameters. For the s-process elements, we will add a discussion in the revised §4 citing relevant non-LTE studies (e.g., for Ba and Y in red giants) and perform sensitivity tests by applying typical non-LTE corrections from the literature to the measured abundances. We will demonstrate that even with corrections of up to 0.2 dex, the distinctive [Ba/Zr] and [Nd/Y] ratios persist relative to other clusters. If specific non-LTE codes or grids are recommended, we are prepared to incorporate them in the final version. revision: partial
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Referee: §5.3 (Discussion of abundance patterns): The claim that the patterns are 'unique in the current census' lacks an explicit list of the comparison OC sample, its size, selection criteria, and any publication bias. Without this, the strength of the 'chemically peculiar' and chemical-tagging value statements cannot be evaluated.
Authors: We appreciate this suggestion to make the uniqueness claim more transparent. In the revised manuscript, we will expand §5.3 to include an explicit description of the comparison sample, which consists of approximately 40 open clusters with high-resolution abundance measurements for s-process elements from various surveys (e.g., Gaia-ESO, APOGEE, and individual studies). We will provide the selection criteria (OCs with [Fe/H] measurements and at least Ba, Y, Zr, Nd abundances) and discuss potential biases such as the over-representation of solar-neighbourhood clusters. A supplementary table will list the key clusters and their relevant abundance ratios for direct comparison. This will allow a proper evaluation of the chemical peculiarity of UBC 1052. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: results from new observations and standard differential analysis
full rationale
The paper's core results derive from new FLAMES/VLT UVES and GIRAFFE spectra of candidate members. Radial velocities are measured directly from the spectra, and chemical abundances for 23 elements are obtained via a strict line-by-line differential LTE analysis achieving ~0.06 dex median precision. Cluster parameters (age 2.25 Gyr, distance 3.11 kpc, [Fe/H] = 0.05 dex) follow from these measurements and standard isochrone comparison. Uniqueness claims for [Ba/Zr] and [Nd/Y] patterns rest on external comparison to the literature census of high-resolution OC studies, not on any self-referential equation or fitted parameter renamed as a prediction. No load-bearing step reduces by construction to prior self-citations or ansatzes; membership is validated via vr compatibility and low abundance dispersions (<0.03 dex for 20 elements). The derivation chain is self-contained against external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (1)
- cluster age and distance
axioms (2)
- domain assumption Local thermodynamic equilibrium applies to the formation of the spectral lines used for abundance analysis
- domain assumption The four red clump stars are representative members whose abundances reflect the cluster's birth composition
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The stellar parameters we derive for the solar-type star in M 67 (M67-1194) areT eff =5752±28 K and logg=4.47±0.03 dex, in excellent agreement with the solar values and with its estimated parameters in Önehag et al. 2011 (Teff =5780±27 K and logg=4.44±0.035 dex) and in Liu et al. 2016 (T eff =5786± 13 K and logg=4.46±0.02 dex). These two studies carried o...
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2021), and the estimated absolute abundance for the five RC stars in UBC 1052 (fourth to eighth columns) and for the solar analogue in M 67 (last column)
of the product of the oscillator strength of the transition and the statistical weight of the lower level (taken from Heiter et al. 2021), and the estimated absolute abundance for the five RC stars in UBC 1052 (fourth to eighth columns) and for the solar analogue in M 67 (last column). The full table is available at the CDS. GaiaDR3 source ID 3r [km s−1] ...
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C.2. Comparison of [X/H] and [X/Fe] abundances between UBC 1052 and the clusters studied in C21 We compare UBC 1052’s [X/H] and [X/Fe] with those of two different subsamples of OCs studied in C21 (Figs. C.1 and C.2). To define these samples, we first estimateRguide andZ max for the OCs in C21 usinggalpyand the potentialMWpotential2014, in the same fashion...
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Additionally, as a reference, we also plot Ruprecht 147 (NGC 6774, in grey), which has a similar age to UBC 1052 (2.5−3 Gyr; Curtis et al
ex- actly as done in C21 (the only difference being the version of theGaia-ESO line list used). Additionally, as a reference, we also plot Ruprecht 147 (NGC 6774, in grey), which has a similar age to UBC 1052 (2.5−3 Gyr; Curtis et al. 2013, Bragaglia et al. 2018, Cantat-Gaudin et al
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but is located in the solar neighbourhood (at a distanced∼300 pc, Curtis et al. 2013, Gaia Collaboration et al. 2018, Cantat-Gaudin et al
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The abundance uncertainties correspond to the standard error.Right: Spatial distribution (top: projection onto theX−Ygalactocentric coordinates plane;bottom: height above the Galactic plane as a function of galactocentric radius) of all the clusters detected in HR23 (light blue dots) and of the OCs represented in the left panel (with UBC 1052 marked as a ...
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is located at a similarR GC to UBC 1052 but is much younger (∼300 Myr old; Cantat-Gaudin et al. 2014; Dias et al
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Ruprecht 147, on the other hand, is slightly older than UBC 1052, but it is located further out in the Galaxy, in the solar neighbour- hood, and has a largerR guide (∼7.3 kpc)
and reaches a smallerZ max (∼100 pc). Ruprecht 147, on the other hand, is slightly older than UBC 1052, but it is located further out in the Galaxy, in the solar neighbour- hood, and has a largerR guide (∼7.3 kpc). Regarding [X/Fe], UBC 1052’s abundances are compatible with those of NGC 6705 and Ruprecht 147 only for some elements (including most of the F...
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D.1), but it places it at the lowest end of the [Fe/H] dis- tribution at itsR guide (see Fig
renders it not an outlier of the metallicity gradient at itsR GC ∼6.8 kpc (Fig. D.1), but it places it at the lowest end of the [Fe/H] dis- tribution at itsR guide (see Fig. D.2). However, its [Fe/H] in the latest OCCAM catalogue, which is also based on a single star, is much higher ([Fe/H]=0.16±0.01 dex from OCCAM SDSS- V/MWM DR19, Otto et al. 2026). Thi...
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NGC 6583 is a∼1.5 Gyr old OC, located atR GC =6.8 kpc andZ=−22 pc according to Cavallo et al
Finally, the case of NGC 6583 is worthy of notice as another example of how the lack of accurate and precise [Fe/H] estima- tions limits our ability to constrain the chemical evolution of the Galactic disc and the radial mixing processes that take place in it. NGC 6583 is a∼1.5 Gyr old OC, located atR GC =6.8 kpc andZ=−22 pc according to Cavallo et al. (2...
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(2024) for the OCs in OCCASO+and in our se- lected sample from Spina et al
as a function of the currentRGC from Cavallo et al. (2024) for the OCs in OCCASO+and in our se- lected sample from Spina et al. (2022a) that belong to Cavallo et al. (2024) ‘gold’ sample. Appendix F: Analysis of GIRAFFE spectra In this section, we describe our radial velocity measurements for the stars observed with GIRAFFE. For each GIRAFFE target we mer...
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