Multiplicative independence in the sequence of k-generalized Pell numbers
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The pith
For k at least 2, the k-generalized Pell sequence has multiplicatively dependent terms only for a short list of small indices.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
For every integer k greater than or equal to 2, the only pairs (m, n) with n > m ≥ 0 such that P_n^(k) and P_m^(k) are multiplicatively dependent are the small ones listed in the main theorem.
What carries the argument
Lower bounds for linear forms in logarithms from Matveev's theorem, reduced via the Baker-Davenport method to a range that can be checked by computer.
If this is right
- The terms P_n^(k) for fixed k and large enough n are multiplicatively independent from earlier terms.
- Equations involving powers of these Pell numbers have only the listed small solutions.
- Similar independence holds across different k in most cases.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- These results could extend to proving independence for other families of linear recurrence sequences.
- Computational verification for small k confirms no additional solutions exist beyond the bounds.
- The listed exceptions might be the only cases where these numbers share common prime factors in a certain way or are powers.
Load-bearing premise
The lower bounds from linear forms in logarithms combined with reduction yield a search range small enough for complete computational enumeration without overlooking any solutions.
What would settle it
Discovery of integers k >= 2, n > m >= 0 not in the listed set, such that P_n^(k) and P_m^(k) satisfy a relation like P_n^(k) = r^a and P_m^(k) = r^b for some rational r and integers a, b.
read the original abstract
We study multiplicative dependence between terms of the $k$-generalized Pell sequence $(P_n^{(k)})_{n\ge 2-k}$, defined by the linear recurrence \[ P_n^{(k)} = 2P_{n-1}^{(k)} + P_{n-2}^{(k)} + \dots + P_{n-k}^{(k)}, \] with initial conditions $P_0^{(k)} = \dots = P_{-(k-2)}^{(k)} = 0$ and $P_1^{(k)} = 1$. For $k\ge 2$ we determine all pairs $(m,n)$ with $n>m\ge 0$ such that $P_n^{(k)}$ and $P_m^{(k)}$ are multiplicatively dependent. The main result states that the only solutions occur for very small $k,m,n$ (which are listed explicitly). The proof uses lower bounds for linear forms in logarithms (Matveev), the Baker-Davenport reduction algorithm, and a computational search.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper studies multiplicative dependence between terms of the k-generalized Pell sequence (P_n^{(k)}) defined by the linear recurrence P_n^{(k)} = 2P_{n-1}^{(k)} + ... + P_{n-k}^{(k)} with the given initial conditions. For k ≥ 2 it determines all pairs (m,n) with n > m ≥ 0 such that P_n^{(k)} and P_m^{(k)} are multiplicatively dependent, asserting that the only solutions occur for very small explicit values of k,m,n. The proof combines Matveev's theorem on linear forms in logarithms, the Baker-Davenport reduction, and exhaustive computational enumeration.
Significance. If the classification holds, the result gives a complete effective resolution of multiplicative dependence in this parameterized family of linear recurrences, extending classical results for Pell and Fibonacci sequences. The combination of transcendental lower bounds with reduction to a finite search is a standard effective method in the field; its successful uniform application across all k would be a solid contribution to the literature on Diophantine properties of recurrence sequences.
major comments (2)
- [Section 3 (application of Matveev and Baker-Davenport)] The central argument applies Matveev's theorem to a linear form in two logarithms derived from the assumption that log P_n^{(k)} / log P_m^{(k)} is rational. The resulting a priori bound on max(n,m) depends on the degree k and the height of the dominant root of the characteristic polynomial x^k − 2x^{k−1} − ⋯ − 1 = 0. The manuscript must explicitly track this dependence and verify that the subsequent Baker-Davenport reduction produces a bound small enough for exhaustive search uniformly in k (or supply a separate argument for large k). Without such verification the computational completeness claim is not yet load-bearing.
- [Section 4 (computational verification)] The computational search that enumerates all pairs up to the reduced bound must be described with sufficient detail: the precision used to test multiplicative dependence, the exact criterion for declaring two terms dependent, and confirmation that the search was run for every k up to the largest value where the reduced bound exceeds a few thousand. Table or list of checked ranges per k would make the exhaustiveness claim verifiable.
minor comments (2)
- [Introduction and notation] The initial conditions are stated with negative indices; a short remark clarifying the convention for P_j^{(k)} when j < 0 would improve readability.
- [Introduction] A few additional references to prior work on multiplicative independence for Pell and generalized Fibonacci sequences would help situate the result.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful and constructive report. The suggestions will help clarify the effective bounds and computational verification in our proof. We respond to each major comment below and indicate the planned revisions.
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Referee: The central argument applies Matveev's theorem to a linear form in two logarithms derived from the assumption that log P_n^{(k)} / log P_m^{(k)} is rational. The resulting a priori bound on max(n,m) depends on the degree k and the height of the dominant root of the characteristic polynomial x^k − 2x^{k−1} − ⋯ − 1 = 0. The manuscript must explicitly track this dependence and verify that the subsequent Baker-Davenport reduction produces a bound small enough for exhaustive search uniformly in k (or supply a separate argument for large k). Without such verification the computational completeness claim is not yet load-bearing.
Authors: We agree that the k-dependence in the Matveev bound and the effectiveness of the subsequent reduction should be made fully explicit to support the uniform claim. In the revised Section 3 we will insert a new subsection deriving the explicit constants: the degree is k and the logarithmic height of the dominant root α_k satisfies 2 < α_k < 3 with α_k → 2 as k → ∞, yielding an a priori bound of the form max(n,m) ≪ exp(C(k) log max(|log P_n|,|log P_m|)) where C(k) grows at most polynomially in k. We will then carry out the Baker-Davenport reduction for a range of k up to 30, showing that the reduced bound on n remains below 200 for all such k. For k > 30 we will add a short separate argument that P_n^{(k)} for n ≥ 3 cannot be multiplicatively dependent on any earlier term because the dominant root produces terms whose prime factors are distinct from those of smaller terms (verified by the recurrence modulo small primes). These additions will make the completeness claim load-bearing. revision: yes
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Referee: The computational search that enumerates all pairs up to the reduced bound must be described with sufficient detail: the precision used to test multiplicative dependence, the exact criterion for declaring two terms dependent, and confirmation that the search was run for every k up to the largest value where the reduced bound exceeds a few thousand. Table or list of checked ranges per k would make the exhaustiveness claim verifiable.
Authors: We accept the referee’s request for greater transparency in the computational part. In the revised Section 4 we will add a precise description of the algorithm: all terms are computed using 200-bit floating-point arithmetic; two terms P_n^{(k)} and P_m^{(k)} are declared multiplicatively dependent if |a log P_n^{(k)} + b log P_m^{(k)}| < 10^{-80} for some integers a,b with |a|,|b| ≤ 100 (checked via continued-fraction expansion of log P_n / log P_m). We will include an explicit table listing, for each k from 2 to 40, the reduced upper bound obtained after Baker-Davenport, the number of pairs examined, and the statement that the search was executed in full with no further solutions found. This table will confirm that every k up to the point where the reduced bound exceeds several thousand was covered. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity: derivation uses external theorems and direct computation
full rationale
The paper applies Matveev's theorem to obtain a lower bound for a linear form in logarithms arising from the multiplicative dependence assumption, then invokes the Baker-Davenport reduction to produce an explicit upper bound on n and m, followed by exhaustive search within that bound. These steps rely on independently established external results (Matveev's theorem and the Baker-Davenport algorithm) whose statements and proofs do not depend on the present paper's definitions or conclusions. No parameter is fitted to a subset of the target data and then relabeled as a prediction, no self-citation is load-bearing for the central claim, and the final list of solutions is obtained by direct verification rather than by construction from the inputs. The derivation is therefore self-contained against external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (2)
- standard math Matveev's theorem providing lower bounds for linear forms in logarithms
- domain assumption The k-generalized Pell sequence satisfies the stated recurrence and initial conditions for each k ≥ 2
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