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arxiv: 2605.23277 · v1 · pith:QY63FWEFnew · submitted 2026-05-22 · ⚛️ physics.geo-ph

Differentiating Eulerian and Lagrangian Tendencies in the Ocean Interior via a Dynamical Overturning Decomposition

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keywords ocean interior changesEulerian tendenciesLagrangian tendenciesdynamical overturning decompositiondiabatic transformationsisopycnal heavingreversibilityreanalysis products
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A dynamical overturning decomposition separates Eulerian trends from Lagrangian transformations in ocean interior observations.

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The paper presents a framework that represents Eulerian and Lagrangian tendencies through distinct perspectives of overturning circulations. It applies the decomposition to reanalysis products across the Atlantic, Indo-Pacific, and South China Sea to examine long-term interior changes. The approach identifies cases where similar observed trends arise from different underlying processes, including diapycnal downwelling and masked lightening. A sympathetic reader would care because the method supplies a consistent way to judge whether changes are reversible heaving or irreversible transformation.

Core claim

Repeat observations constrain long-term ocean interior changes, yet attributing Eulerian signals to reversible isopycnal heaving versus irreversible diabatic transformations has remained ambiguous due to limited velocity data and the absence of an explicit diagnostic. The dynamical overturning decomposition resolves this by separating the two perspectives of the circulation, revealing distinct regimes such as previously undiagnosed diapycnal downwelling, coexisting Eulerian upwelling with diapycnal downwelling, an Atlantic sub-overturning cell tied to intermediate water-mass formation, and Eulerian densification that masks Lagrangian lightening. Strong correlations between kinematic and the

What carries the argument

dynamical overturning decomposition that distinguishes Eulerian and Lagrangian tendencies via separate perspectives on the overturning circulation

If this is right

  • Eulerian trends alone can indicate either reversible or irreversible processes depending on the underlying Lagrangian behavior.
  • Diapycnal downwelling can be diagnosed even when bottom-intensified dissipation theory predicts it.
  • An Atlantic sub-overturning cell can be linked directly to intermediate water-mass formation.
  • Cases exist where Eulerian densification conceals Lagrangian lightening.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same framework could be used to test whether observed basin-scale trends reverse under altered forcing scenarios.
  • Extending the decomposition to coupled climate models might clarify how model biases in velocity fields affect trend attribution.
  • The identified sub-overturning cell suggests a need to revisit water-mass formation rates in intermediate layers of the Atlantic.

Load-bearing premise

The decomposition applied to reanalysis products can reliably disentangle Lagrangian transformation from Eulerian variability even with limited direct velocity observations.

What would settle it

Direct in-situ velocity and tracer flux measurements in a region where the decomposition predicts diapycnal downwelling but Eulerian observations show no net trend.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.23277 by Lei Han.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Schematic diagram of a volume budget framework for a control volume bounded by a specified isopycnal surface (𝜎𝜎𝜃𝜃), solid boundaries (the seafloor and eastern and western coasts), and two meridional open boundaries ( 𝑦𝑦0 and 𝑦𝑦1 ). 𝜓𝜓adv and 𝜓𝜓𝑑𝑑 denote the advective and diapycnal streamfunctions in density coordinates, respectively. 𝑇𝑇ℎ𝑣𝑣 represents the isopycnal volume tendency, obtained by integrating … view at source ↗
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Repeat observations provide essential constraints on long-term changes in the ocean interior, such as warming and cooling trends. However, attributing these Eulerian signals to either reversible isopycnal heaving or irreversible diabatic transformations remains a fundamental challenge. This ambiguity arises not only from limited velocity observations, but also from the lack of a diagnostic framework capable of explicitly disentangling Lagrangian transformation from Eulerian variability. Recognizing that Eulerian and Lagrangian tendencies can be represented through distinct perspectives of the overturning circulations, we apply a dynamical overturning decomposition to state-of-the-art reanalysis products in the Atlantic, Indo-Pacific, and South China Sea to investigate their long-term behavior. The utility of this framework is supported by strong correlations between independently derived kinematic and thermodynamic indices, indicating a tight coupling between advective and isopycnal-heaving transports. Our analysis reveals distinct dynamical regimes in which similar Eulerian tendencies arise from fundamentally different Lagrangian processes. In particular, we identify (i) previously undiagnosed diapycnal downwelling, despite its prediction by bottom-intensified turbulent dissipation, (ii) coexistence of apparent Eulerian upwelling and diapycnal downwelling, (iii) an Atlantic sub-overturning cell linked to intermediate water-mass formation, and (iv) cases where Eulerian densification masks Lagrangian lightening. These results demonstrate that Eulerian trends alone can be misleading indicators of reversible and irreversible behaviors. By explicitly separating adiabatic heaving from diabatic processes, this framework offers a physically consistent diagnostic for interpreting interior ocean changes and establishes a dynamical basis for assessing the reversibility of such changes.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper introduces a dynamical overturning decomposition to separate Eulerian (fixed-location) tendencies from Lagrangian (water-mass) transformations in the ocean interior. Applied to reanalysis products in the Atlantic, Indo-Pacific, and South China Sea, the method reveals strong correlations between kinematic and thermodynamic indices and identifies regimes where similar Eulerian signals arise from distinct Lagrangian processes, including diapycnal downwelling, coexisting upwelling and downwelling, an Atlantic sub-overturning cell, and Eulerian densification masking Lagrangian lightening. The central claim is that Eulerian trends alone mislead about reversible versus irreversible behaviors and that the decomposition provides a physically consistent diagnostic.

Significance. If the decomposition cleanly isolates the processes, the work would offer a valuable diagnostic tool for interpreting repeat hydrographic observations and assessing reversibility of interior ocean changes. The reported correlations between independently derived indices provide some external grounding for the framework's utility in reanalysis applications.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] The application of the dynamical overturning decomposition to reanalysis velocity fields (Abstract; implied Methods) does not address the risk that these fields embed the same sub-grid mixing, bottom-intensified dissipation, and water-mass transformation schemes the decomposition seeks to isolate. Consequently, the reported correlations between kinematic and thermodynamic indices may reflect shared model physics rather than an independent separation of Lagrangian transformation from Eulerian heaving.
  2. [Abstract] The identification of 'previously undiagnosed diapycnal downwelling' and the four dynamical regimes (Abstract) rests on the decomposition without reported error estimates, sensitivity tests to assimilation choices, or direct comparison to independent velocity observations. This leaves the support for the claim that Eulerian trends are misleading indicators unverifiable at the level needed for the central conclusion.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] The abstract states 'strong correlations' but provides no quantitative values, significance levels, or specific index definitions; these should be added for clarity.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their constructive and detailed review. We address each major comment below and indicate planned revisions to the manuscript.

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  1. Referee: The application of the dynamical overturning decomposition to reanalysis velocity fields (Abstract; implied Methods) does not address the risk that these fields embed the same sub-grid mixing, bottom-intensified dissipation, and water-mass transformation schemes the decomposition seeks to isolate. Consequently, the reported correlations between kinematic and thermodynamic indices may reflect shared model physics rather than an independent separation of Lagrangian transformation from Eulerian heaving.

    Authors: We acknowledge this limitation of reanalysis products. The decomposition is a post-processing diagnostic that mathematically separates Eulerian and Lagrangian components from the supplied velocity and density fields; the reported correlations are between independently derived kinematic (velocity-based) and thermodynamic (density-based) indices within that framework. Nevertheless, shared model influences cannot be ruled out. We will revise the manuscript to add an explicit discussion of this caveat in the Methods section and a brief qualification in the Abstract. revision: yes

  2. Referee: The identification of 'previously undiagnosed diapycnal downwelling' and the four dynamical regimes (Abstract) rests on the decomposition without reported error estimates, sensitivity tests to assimilation choices, or direct comparison to independent velocity observations. This leaves the support for the claim that Eulerian trends are misleading indicators unverifiable at the level needed for the central conclusion.

    Authors: We agree that quantitative support can be strengthened. The revised manuscript will include error estimates derived from reanalysis ensemble members and sensitivity tests to assimilation parameters and choices. Direct comparison to independent interior velocity observations is not feasible at the necessary scales owing to observational sparsity, which is why reanalysis is employed; we will state this limitation explicitly in the Discussion. These additions will improve verifiability of the regime identifications and central claims. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No circularity identified; derivation remains self-contained

full rationale

The abstract and description present the dynamical overturning decomposition as an applied diagnostic framework whose utility is supported by reported correlations between independently derived indices. No equations, self-citations, fitted parameters renamed as predictions, or uniqueness theorems are quoted or visible in the provided material. Without any load-bearing step that reduces by construction to its own inputs, the analysis cannot exhibit circularity under the required rules. The central claim rests on external application to reanalysis products rather than internal redefinition.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

Abstract-only review provides no explicit free parameters, axioms, or invented entities; the decomposition itself is treated as the novel contribution without further breakdown.

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