An alternative approach to the calculation of fundamental groups based on labeled natural deduction
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The pith
A labelled deduction system based on computational paths computes the fundamental groups of the Klein bottle, torus and two-holed torus using the Seifert-Van Kampen theorem.
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Core claim
The central claim is that a labelled deduction system treating computational paths as equalities, equipped with a term rewriting system for path equalities, permits the calculation of the fundamental groups of K², T² and M₂ via the Seifert-Van Kampen theorem in a manner less complex than conventional mathematical proofs or homotopy type theory techniques.
What carries the argument
Labelled deduction system in which computational paths are sequences of rewrites serving as equalities between terms of the same type, together with a term rewriting system that computes equalities between equalities.
Load-bearing premise
The labelled deduction rules and their rewriting system correctly encode the homotopy relations and path compositions needed for the Seifert-Van Kampen theorem to produce the actual topological fundamental groups.
What would settle it
Performing the labelled deduction calculation for the torus and obtaining a group other than the known fundamental group Z × Z would show the encoding does not match topology.
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read the original abstract
In this work, we use a labelled deduction system based on the concept of computational paths (sequence of rewrites) as equalities between two terms of the same type. We also define a term rewriting system that is used to make computations between these computational paths, establishing equalities between equalities. We use a labelled deduction system based on the concept of computational paths (sequence of rewrites) to obtain some results of algebraic topology and with support of the Seifet-Van Kampen Theorem we will calculate, in a way less complex than the one made in mathematics \cite{Munkres} and the technique of homotopy type theory \cite{hott}, the fundamental group of Klein Blottle $\mathbb{K}^2$, of the Torus $\mathbb{T}^2$ and Two holed Torus $\mathbb{M}_2=\mathbb{T}^2\# \mathbb{T}^2$ (the connected sum two torus).
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript introduces a labeled natural deduction system based on computational paths (sequences of rewrites treated as equalities) together with an associated term-rewriting system. It claims that this framework, used in conjunction with the Seifert–Van Kampen theorem, yields the fundamental groups of the Klein bottle K², the torus T², and the two-holed torus M₂ = T²#T² in a manner less complex than the classical treatment in Munkres or the homotopy-type-theory approach.
Significance. If the rewriting rules on computational paths can be shown to enforce precisely the same relations that arise from the inclusions in the Seifert–Van Kampen pushout, the work would supply a purely logical calculus for a standard family of fundamental-group computations. No machine-checked proofs, parameter-free derivations, or reproducible code are supplied, so the significance remains conditional on verification of the encoding.
major comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that the labeled deduction system produces the fundamental groups “with support of the Seifert-Van Kampen Theorem” is not accompanied by any explicit translation between the term-rewriting rules on computational paths and the amalgamated-product construction or the attaching maps of the theorem; without this translation it is impossible to confirm that the computed presentations coincide with the known topological groups (e.g., ⟨a,b | aba⁻¹b⁻¹⟩ for T²).
- [Abstract] Abstract: the repeated assertion of “less complex” calculations relative to Munkres or HoTT is unsupported by any concrete rewriting derivations, length comparisons, or side-by-side examples; the claim is therefore unevaluable from the given text.
minor comments (1)
- [Abstract] Abstract: typographical errors include “Seifet-Van Kampen”, “Klein Blottle”, and inconsistent notation for the surfaces (K² vs. ℂ²).
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive comments on the manuscript. We respond to each major comment below and indicate the changes planned for the revised version.
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that the labeled deduction system produces the fundamental groups “with support of the Seifert-Van Kampen Theorem” is not accompanied by any explicit translation between the term-rewriting rules on computational paths and the amalgamated-product construction or the attaching maps of the theorem; without this translation it is impossible to confirm that the computed presentations coincide with the known topological groups (e.g., ⟨a,b | aba⁻¹b⁻¹⟩ for T²).
Authors: We agree that an explicit translation is required to make the connection verifiable. The revised manuscript will add a dedicated subsection that maps the term-rewriting rules on computational paths to the relations induced by the inclusions in the Seifert–Van Kampen pushout, thereby confirming that the resulting presentations match the standard ones such as ⟨a, b | aba⁻¹b⁻¹⟩ for the torus. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the repeated assertion of “less complex” calculations relative to Munkres or HoTT is unsupported by any concrete rewriting derivations, length comparisons, or side-by-side examples; the claim is therefore unevaluable from the given text.
Authors: We acknowledge that the claim of reduced complexity lacks supporting derivations or comparisons in the current text. The revision will incorporate explicit rewriting derivations for the torus (and, space permitting, the other spaces) together with a brief side-by-side comparison of derivation length or number of steps against the classical treatment and the HoTT approach. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity: external Seifert-Van Kampen theorem invoked as independent support
full rationale
The paper's approach applies a labeled deduction system with term rewriting on computational paths, then invokes the Seifert-Van Kampen theorem (external, cited via Munkres) to obtain fundamental group presentations for K², T² and M₂. No step defines a result in terms of itself, renames a fitted parameter as a prediction, or relies on a load-bearing self-citation whose content is unverified. The rewriting rules are presented as a computational tool whose correctness is assumed to align with the topological theorem rather than being derived from the target groups. This is a standard non-circular application of an external theorem.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- domain assumption Seifert-Van Kampen Theorem can be applied inside the labeled deduction system
Lean theorems connected to this paper
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/AlexanderDuality.leanalexander_duality_circle_linking unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
we use a labelled deduction system based on the concept of computational paths (sequence of rewrites) ... with support of the Seifert-Van Kampen Theorem we will calculate ... the fundamental group of Klein Bottle K², of the Torus T²
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IndisputableMonolith/Cost/FunctionalEquation.leanwashburn_uniqueness_aczel unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
LNDEQ-TRS ... 39 rules ... rw-equality is transitive, symmetric and reflexive
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