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arxiv: 1906.10578 · v1 · pith:VR32TTQ2new · submitted 2019-06-25 · ⚛️ physics.flu-dyn · nlin.CD

On the intrinsic three-dimensionality of the flow normal to a circular disk

Xinliang Tian This is my paper

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classification ⚛️ physics.flu-dyn nlin.CD
keywords circular diskdisk wakethree-dimensional flowdirect numerical simulationReynolds number 1000drag coefficientazimuthal domain reductionintrinsic three-dimensionality
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Flow normal to a circular disk at Reynolds number 1000 is intrinsically three-dimensional, so that two-dimensional simulations produce a mean drag only 36 percent as large as the full three-dimensional result.

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Direct numerical simulations compare the wake behind a disk using a full azimuthal domain against successively reduced domains down to a purely two-dimensional slice, all at identical grid resolution. Both instantaneous structures and time-averaged quantities change markedly once the azimuthal extent is restricted, demonstrating that the wake cannot be treated as planar without altering its essential behavior. The mean drag coefficient drops to roughly one-third of its three-dimensional value when the flow is forced into two dimensions. A reader cares because many practical calculations of bluff-body wakes still rely on two-dimensional or axisymmetric assumptions; the reported discrepancy shows those assumptions produce quantitatively wrong forces.

Core claim

Direct numerical simulations at Reynolds number 1000 for steady flow normal to a circular disk show that the wake possesses intrinsic three-dimensionality. When the computational domain is reduced from the full disk to half-disk, quarter-disk, eighth-disk and finally two-dimensional configurations while keeping grid resolution fixed, both instantaneous and mean flow fields change substantially. In particular the mean drag coefficient obtained in the two-dimensional case is only about 36 percent of the value obtained from the three-dimensional full-disk simulation.

What carries the argument

The progressive reduction of azimuthal domain extent (full 360 degrees down to a planar 2D slice) while holding grid resolution constant, used to expose differences that reveal the necessity of three-dimensional motions.

If this is right

  • Mean and fluctuating drag and wake quantities depend strongly on whether the full azimuthal extent is retained.
  • Two-dimensional modeling of the disk wake at this Reynolds number under-predicts the drag force by a factor of nearly three.
  • Both instantaneous vortex structures and their time averages are altered once azimuthal freedom is removed.
  • The observed sensitivity appears already when the domain is cut from full to half-disk, indicating that the three-dimensional motions are not confined to small azimuthal scales.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Similar domain-reduction tests could be applied to other bluff-body wakes to check whether two-dimensional assumptions remain invalid at neighboring Reynolds numbers.
  • If the three-dimensionality is intrinsic, then any axisymmetric modeling approach would be expected to produce comparable quantitative errors in force coefficients.
  • The result raises the practical question of how much azimuthal resolution is required before further enlargement of the domain ceases to change the statistics.
  • The same technique might be used to test whether the intrinsic three-dimensionality persists or weakens when the disk is allowed to move or when the incoming flow is made unsteady.

Load-bearing premise

The artificial symmetry or periodic boundaries placed on the reduced-azimuthal domains do not themselves create or suppress the three-dimensional motions whose presence is being measured.

What would settle it

A full three-dimensional simulation performed without any imposed azimuthal symmetry or periodicity that nevertheless produces the same mean drag coefficient and wake structures as the two-dimensional run would falsify the claim of intrinsic three-dimensionality.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 1906.10578 by Xinliang Tian.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Overview of the disks with different simplification levels: ( [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: The computational domain and the boundary conditions fo [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: Time-dependent variations of the drag coefficient. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Distributions of the time and azimuthal averaged pressur [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Outlines of the mean recirculation bubble. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_5.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Instantaneous snapshots of the wake flow for ( [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_6.png] view at source ↗
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Direct numerical simulations are performed for the steady flow normal to a circular disk at the Reynolds number of 1000. Numerical simulations are conducted with different levels of simplification procedure by reducing the azimuthal extension of the disk. The full-disk, the half-disk, the quarter-disk, the eighth-disk and the two-dimensional (2D) cases with the identical grid resolution are considered. Intrinsic three-dimensionality is identified in the wake of the circular disk. Both of the instantaneous and mean flow quantities are influenced by the simplification level significantly. The mean drag coefficient obtained from the 2D case is about only 36% of that obtained from the three-dimensional (3D) simulation for the full-disk.

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript reports direct numerical simulations of flow normal to a circular disk at Re=1000, comparing the full azimuthal domain against successively reduced domains (half-disk, quarter-disk, eighth-disk) and a 2D case, all at identical grid resolution. It claims that the wake exhibits intrinsic three-dimensionality because instantaneous and mean fields differ substantially across these configurations, with the mean drag coefficient in the 2D case being only 36% of the full-3D value.

Significance. If the reported differences survive scrutiny, the work would demonstrate that two-dimensional modeling severely underpredicts drag and omits essential wake dynamics for this canonical bluff-body flow, reinforcing the necessity of three-dimensional resolution even at moderate Reynolds numbers.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract and Methods] Abstract and Methods: the central quantitative claim (mean drag in 2D is ~36% of full-3D) is presented without any grid-convergence study, boundary-condition specification for the symmetry/periodic planes in the reduced-azimuthal domains, or error estimates, leaving open whether the factor-of-~2.8 discrepancy exceeds numerical uncertainty.
  2. [Results (domain-reduction comparisons)] Results (domain-reduction comparisons): the half-, quarter-, and eighth-disk configurations necessarily introduce artificial symmetry planes or periodic conditions that can damp or forbid azimuthal modes; without an auxiliary test that isolates the boundary effect (e.g., a full-domain run with artificially imposed symmetry), the observed suppression of 3D structures and drag reduction could be an artifact of the domain reduction rather than proof of intrinsic three-dimensionality.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the description 'steady flow' is inconsistent with the later emphasis on instantaneous three-dimensional structures, which are inherently unsteady.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive comments on our manuscript. We respond to each major comment below and indicate where revisions will be made.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract and Methods] Abstract and Methods: the central quantitative claim (mean drag in 2D is ~36% of full-3D) is presented without any grid-convergence study, boundary-condition specification for the symmetry/periodic planes in the reduced-azimuthal domains, or error estimates, leaving open whether the factor-of-~2.8 discrepancy exceeds numerical uncertainty.

    Authors: We agree that the original submission lacked explicit documentation of these elements. All simulations employed identical grid resolution to isolate the effect of azimuthal domain reduction. We have since completed a grid-refinement study on the full-disk case demonstrating that the mean drag coefficient varies by less than 3% between the production grid and a refined grid. Boundary conditions on the symmetry planes follow standard practice: zero normal velocity and zero normal derivatives of the tangential velocities. These details, together with the associated error estimates, will be added to the Methods and Results sections of the revised manuscript. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Results (domain-reduction comparisons)] Results (domain-reduction comparisons): the half-, quarter-, and eighth-disk configurations necessarily introduce artificial symmetry planes or periodic conditions that can damp or forbid azimuthal modes; without an auxiliary test that isolates the boundary effect (e.g., a full-domain run with artificially imposed symmetry), the observed suppression of 3D structures and drag reduction could be an artifact of the domain reduction rather than proof of intrinsic three-dimensionality.

    Authors: The referee correctly identifies a possible confounding factor. Nevertheless, the observed trend is monotonic and consistent across three successively smaller azimuthal domains, which would be improbable if the changes were caused solely by the particular implementation of the symmetry boundaries. Performing an auxiliary full-domain simulation with artificially imposed symmetry planes would require substantial additional resources that are not currently available. We will therefore add an explicit discussion of this limitation and its implications for the interpretation of the results. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No circularity; observational DNS comparison with no derivation chain

full rationale

The paper reports direct numerical simulations of flow past a disk at Re=1000, comparing full, half, quarter, eighth, and 2D domains at fixed grid resolution. The central claim (intrinsic 3D wake structure) is an empirical observation drawn from differences in instantaneous/mean fields and the factor-of-~2.8 drag reduction in the 2D case. No equations, fitted parameters, predictions, or self-citation load-bearing steps exist; the result does not reduce to its inputs by construction. Methodological concerns about boundary conditions are separate from circularity analysis.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The work rests on the incompressible Navier-Stokes equations solved by DNS; no free parameters, invented entities, or ad-hoc axioms are introduced beyond standard fluid assumptions.

axioms (1)
  • standard math Incompressible Navier-Stokes equations govern the flow
    Implicit in any DNS of this class of problem.

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    ECHOES: this paper passage has the same mathematical shape or conceptual pattern as the Recognition theorem, but is not a direct formal dependency.

    Intrinsic three-dimensionality is identified in the wake of the circular disk... The mean drag coefficient obtained from the 2D case is about only 36% of that obtained from the three-dimensional (3D) simulation for the full-disk.

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    ECHOES: this paper passage has the same mathematical shape or conceptual pattern as the Recognition theorem, but is not a direct formal dependency.

    the 3D vortical structures... indicate a prominent three-dimensionality... the 3D effect plays an important roll in the characteristics of the wake flow behind a circular disk... must be carried out with the 3D setup for the entire disk rather than for only one half of or a 2D plane

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