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arxiv: 1906.10647 · v1 · pith:4DB5CAYYnew · submitted 2019-06-21 · 💻 cs.CE

Parameter Identification in Viscoplasticity using Transitional Markov Chain Monte Carlo Method

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TMCMC in a Bayesian setting recovers Chaboche viscoplastic parameters from surface displacement vectors alone.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper shows that Transitional Markov Chain Monte Carlo sampling can estimate the parameters of a Chaboche viscoplastic model when the only available observations are surface displacement measurements. Artificial data are first generated to incorporate realistic measurement noise and specimen variability, then the method is applied under uniform priors that encode no prior knowledge. The study checks how many such measurements are required to recover the true hardening and model parameters to acceptable accuracy. A reader would care because the approach directly addresses the difficulty of identifying parameters in highly nonlinear constitutive models when only limited, noisy data are available.

Core claim

The central claim is that it is possible to identify the model and hardening parameters of a viscoplastic model with only a surface displacement measurement vector in the Bayesian setting using TMCMC and to evaluate the number of measurements needed for a very acceptable estimation of the uncertain parameters of the model.

What carries the argument

Transitional Markov Chain Monte Carlo (TMCMC) method for drawing samples from the posterior distribution of the model parameters given the displacement data.

If this is right

  • The identified parameters match the true values used to generate the artificial data.
  • Surface displacement vectors alone are sufficient for identification of the high-nonlinearity Chaboche model.
  • The number of required measurements can be determined for acceptable estimation accuracy.
  • Uniform priors suffice to obtain useful posterior estimates when no prior information is available.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The same workflow could be tested on other viscoplastic or plastic constitutive models that lack closed-form solutions for parameter recovery.
  • If the artificial-data assumption holds only approximately, real experiments would still need a separate validation step against independent test data.
  • Reducing the required number of measurements could lower the cost of material characterization campaigns that currently rely on multiple full-field strain measurements.

Load-bearing premise

The artificial data generated by the stochastic simulation technique exhibit the same stochastic behavior as real experimental data, including measurement errors and specimen-to-specimen differences.

What would settle it

Apply the same TMCMC procedure to real experimental displacement data from cyclic tests on steel specimens and check whether the recovered parameters reproduce the measured responses within the posterior uncertainty bands.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 1906.10647 by Ehsan Adeli, Hermann G. Matthies.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Boundary condition considered The normal tractions, which is a Neumann boundary condition, are ap￾plied cyclically [55, 56, 57] in x, y and z directions on front and back faces and the magnitude of tractions in all directions are shown in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Decomposed applied force at point E according to time [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p010_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: Displacement of point E in x, y and z directions according to time The displacements of point E in x, y and z directions are noted as the virtual data in this case. The Transitional Markov chain Monte Carlo method is applied using sampling by which 1000 samples are generated and the history of the dis￾placement of point E is noted. The determined prior and posterior proba￾bility density functions are compa… view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Prior distribution of the parameters 1.4 1.6 1.8 x 108 σ y 40 50 60 b χ 40 60 80 bR 7.6 7.7 7.8 x 108 G 1.6 1.7 1.8 x 109 1.4 1.6 1.8 x 108 κ σ y 40 50 60 b χ 40 60 80 b R 7.6 7.7 7.8 x 108 G 1.6 1.7 1.8 x 109 κ [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p012_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Posterior distribution of the parameters [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p012_5.png] view at source ↗
read the original abstract

To evaluate the cyclic behavior under different loading conditions using the kinematic and isotropic hardening theory of steel, a Chaboche viscoplastic material model is employed. The parameters of a constitutive model are usually identified by minimization of the difference between model response and experimental data. However, measurement errors and differences in the specimens lead to deviations in the determined parameters. In this article, the Choboche model is used and a stochastic simulation technique is applied to generate artificial data which exhibit the same stochastic behavior as experimental data. Then the model parameters are identified by applying an estimation using Bayes's theorem. The Transitional Markov Chain Monte Carlo method (TMCMC) is introduced and employed to estimate the model parameters in the Bayesian setting. The uniform distributions of the parameters representing their priors are considered which literally means no knowledge of the parameters is available. Identified parameters are compared with the true parameters in the simulation, and the efficiency of the identification method is discussed. In fact, the main purpose of this study is to observe the possibility of identifying the model and hardening parameters of a viscoplastic model as a very high non-linear model with only a surface displacement measurement vector in the Bayesian setting using TMCMC and evaluate the number of measurements needed for a very acceptable estimation of the uncertain parameters of the model.

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript describes a Bayesian parameter identification workflow for the Chaboche viscoplastic model (with kinematic and isotropic hardening) under cyclic loading. Synthetic displacement data are generated by a stochastic simulation technique asserted to reproduce experimental measurement noise and specimen variability; TMCMC sampling with uniform priors is then used to recover the model parameters from surface displacement vectors alone. The central claims are that acceptable posterior estimates are obtained and that the minimum number of measurements required for such estimates can be quantified by comparing recovered values to the known simulation inputs.

Significance. If the synthetic data generation step is shown to reproduce the statistical properties of real displacement measurements, the approach would supply a practical route to uncertainty-aware identification of a highly nonlinear constitutive model from limited surface data, which is relevant to computational solid mechanics applications where full-field or multi-axial experiments are expensive.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that 'a stochastic simulation technique is applied to generate artificial data which exhibit the same stochastic behavior as experimental data' is load-bearing for all subsequent posterior results and measurement-count conclusions, yet the manuscript supplies no quantitative validation (e.g., comparison of empirical covariance, power spectra, or specimen-to-specimen variance) that the chosen noise model and correlation structure match physical cyclic-test statistics.
  2. [Abstract / Methods (data generation)] The weakest assumption identified in the reader's report is exactly the point above; without that demonstration the reported credible intervals and 'very acceptable estimation' statements remain conditional on an unverified generative model and do not yet support the claim for real experimental data.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract contains the spelling 'Choboche' (should be Chaboche).

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive comments on our manuscript. We address the major comments point by point below, proposing revisions to qualify claims about the synthetic data where appropriate.

read point-by-point responses
  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the claim that 'a stochastic simulation technique is applied to generate artificial data which exhibit the same stochastic behavior as experimental data' is load-bearing for all subsequent posterior results and measurement-count conclusions, yet the manuscript supplies no quantitative validation (e.g., comparison of empirical covariance, power spectra, or specimen-to-specimen variance) that the chosen noise model and correlation structure match physical cyclic-test statistics.

    Authors: We agree that the manuscript does not supply quantitative validation (such as covariance or spectral comparisons) of the synthetic data against real experimental statistics. The stochastic simulation adds noise to displacement fields from the true parameters to represent measurement errors and variability, but the study evaluates TMCMC recovery against known true values rather than matching a specific experimental dataset. We will revise the abstract and methods to state that the artificial data are generated with noise characteristics intended to be representative of typical experimental conditions, without claiming an exact statistical match. This will make the reported posteriors and measurement-count conclusions explicitly conditional on the assumed generative model. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract / Methods (data generation)] The weakest assumption identified in the reader's report is exactly the point above; without that demonstration the reported credible intervals and 'very acceptable estimation' statements remain conditional on an unverified generative model and do not yet support the claim for real experimental data.

    Authors: We concur that the credible intervals and statements of acceptable estimation are conditional on the generative model for the synthetic data. The manuscript's core contribution is demonstrating TMCMC-based recovery of known true parameters from surface displacement vectors in this controlled setting; it does not present or claim results from real experimental data. We will revise the abstract, introduction, and discussion to emphasize this conditional nature and to note that extension to physical experiments would require separate validation of the noise model. No alterations to the TMCMC implementation or numerical results are needed. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: standard synthetic-data recovery of known parameters via TMCMC

full rationale

The paper generates synthetic displacement data from the Chaboche model using known true parameters plus an explicit noise model, then applies standard Bayesian updating with uniform priors and TMCMC to recover posterior estimates of those same parameters. Recovered values are compared directly to the known simulation inputs. This is a conventional validation exercise on synthetic benchmarks; no equation reduces a claimed prediction to a fitted input by construction, no uniqueness theorem is imported via self-citation, and no ansatz is smuggled. The chain is self-contained against the internal synthetic benchmark.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 2 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on standard Bayesian inference and the assumption that the chosen constitutive model plus artificial data generation faithfully represent the identification task; no additional free parameters or invented entities are introduced beyond the model parameters being estimated.

axioms (2)
  • standard math Bayes theorem can be used to update parameter distributions from displacement data
    Invoked as the basis for the TMCMC estimation procedure.
  • domain assumption The Chaboche viscoplastic model with kinematic and isotropic hardening correctly describes the cyclic behavior of steel
    Required for the identified parameters to be meaningful for the intended application.

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