Almost sure OTM-realizability
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The pith
Almost sure realizability for parameter-free OTMs differs from plain realizability, while still closing under intuitionistic logic and realizing KP set theory.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Almost sure realizability with parameter-free ordinal Turing machines is strictly different from plain OTM-realizability, in contrast to the classical situation, yet it is still closed under intuitionistic predicate logic and realizes Kripke-Platek set theory.
What carries the argument
Almost sure realizability defined via parameter-free ordinal Turing machines, obtained by combining the approaches of prior works.
If this is right
- The distinction allows statements to be classified more finely than ordinary OTM-realizability permits.
- All theorems of intuitionistic predicate logic remain realizable under the almost sure notion.
- Every axiom of Kripke-Platek set theory continues to be realizable.
- Results previously proved for plain OTM-realizability that rely only on the preserved closure properties carry over directly.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The separation may let researchers isolate computability phenomena that ordinary realizability collapses.
- One could test whether the same separation appears for other machine models or for realizability over different base theories.
- If the distinction survives further extensions, it could supply a new tool for separating constructive and classical consequences inside set theory.
Load-bearing premise
The merged definition from earlier works produces a single coherent notion that separates almost sure from plain realizability while keeping the listed closure properties intact.
What would settle it
An explicit formula that is almost surely realizable but not plainly realizable, or a proof that the two notions coincide after all, or a failure of closure under intuitionistic logic or of KP-realizability under the new definition.
read the original abstract
Combining the approaches made in works with Galeotti and Passmann, we define and study a notion of "almost sure" realizability with parameter-free ordinal Turing machines (OTMs). In particular, we show that, in contrast to the classical case, almost sure realizability differs from plain realizability, while closure under intuitionistic predicate logic and realizability of Kripke-Platek set theory continue to hold.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper combines prior approaches with Galeotti and Passmann to define almost sure realizability for parameter-free ordinal Turing machines (OTMs). It claims that, unlike the classical case, this notion differs from plain realizability, while remaining closed under intuitionistic predicate logic and realizing Kripke-Platek set theory.
Significance. If the results hold, the distinction between almost sure and plain realizability in the OTM setting (absent classically) offers a new perspective on how parameter-freeness interacts with probabilistic or measure-theoretic notions of realizability. Preservation of the closure and KP-realizability properties indicates the definition is robust enough to support standard applications in constructive set theory.
minor comments (1)
- The abstract refers to 'works with Galeotti and Passmann' without explicit citations; the introduction should list the specific prior papers being combined.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their summary of the manuscript and their assessment of its potential significance. No specific major comments were raised in the report.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity
full rationale
The paper defines a new notion of almost sure OTM-realizability by combining prior techniques from works with Galeotti and Passmann, then proves that this notion differs from plain realizability while retaining closure under intuitionistic predicate logic and realizability of KP set theory. These are direct consequences of the explicit construction and standard logical verification; no derivation step reduces by construction to its inputs, no fitted parameters are relabeled as predictions, and self-citations serve only as background for the combined definition rather than as load-bearing justification for the central distinctions.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- standard math Standard background results on ordinal Turing machines and realizability from prior literature
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ϕ is plainly OTM-realizable
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ϕ is as-OTM-realizable
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ϕ is true. Proof. This is trivial for the case that ϕ itself is ∆0; the details are analogous to those in the proof of [7], Lemma 23. We assume from now on that the s tatement is proved for this case. In the general case, the realizer r will work as follows: Given a real number x coding a set a, use the OTM-program PL from [3], Lemma 3 .5.313 that, on inp...
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More generally, let n ∈ ω, fi : [0 , 1]i → P([0, 1]) for i ∈ { 0, ..., n} such that the following holds for all k ≤ n − 1: There is a Ok ⊆ [0, 1]k with µ(Ok) = 1 and µ(fk(x0, ..., xk− 1)) = 1 for all (x0, ..., xk− 1) ∈ O k. Then µ( ˜⨂n i=0fi) = 1 . Proof. 1. Let χA be the characteristic function of A; by assumption, χA is measurable. Define f : [0, 1] → { ...
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This now follows inductively with the help of Lemma 15. For n = 2, this is part (1). Now suppose that the statement is true for n. Encode ˜⨂n i=0fi as a subset of [0 , 1] as described above. For each x ∈ [0, 1], let Sx := {(x1, ..., xn) : (x, x1, ..., xn) ∈ ˜⨂n i=0fi}. By the inductive assumption, µ(Sx) = 1 for all x ∈ f0. Define, for each x ∈ [0, 1], ˜Sx ...
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are sound for as-OTM-realizability. The proof of this statement is split into the following two sublemmas, w hich state that soundness holds for the deduction rules and for the ax iom (schemes) of the mentioned calculus, respectively. The arguments are similar to t hose given in the (unpublished) appendix to [8], which will appear in forthcoming wo rk wit...
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If a has no free occurences in ϕ, then {ϕ → ψ} ⊢ ϕ → ∀ aψ(a)
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If a has no free occurences in ψ, then {ϕ(a) → ψ} ⊢ ∃ aϕ(a) → ψ Proof. 1. Let as-OTM-realizers rϕ, rϕ→ ψ for ϕ and ϕ → ψ be given. The as- OTM-realizer computed from rϕ and rϕ→ ψ is the program Q that, in the oracle x, does the following: Let a relevant input ξ for ψ be given. Decompose x into x = x0 ⊕ x1. Compute rx0 := rx0 ϕ→ ψ(rϕ). Then compute rx1 x0 ...
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If x does not occur freely in ψ either, this is trivial. Otherwise, by definition of as-OTM-realizability for formulas with free variables, an as-OTM- realizer for ϕ → ψ(a) is one for ∀a(ϕ → ψ(a)). Let such an as-OTM-realizer rϕ→ ψ(a) be given. Our as-OTM-realizer for ϕ → ∀ aψ(x) will work in the following way: Given an as-OTM-realizer rϕ for ϕ, a relevant...
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Moreover, let x ⊆ ω be a real number
Let as-OTM-realizers r∀ ⊩OTM as (ϕ(a) → ψ) and r∃ ⊩OTM as ∃aϕ(a) be given. Moreover, let x ⊆ ω be a real number. Finally, let ξ be a relevant input for ψ. Our as-OTM-realizer Q is an as-OTM-program that, given this data, decom- poses x into x = ⨁3 i=0 xi and then computes (( rx0 ∀ (rx1 ∃ (1)))x2 (rx1 ∃ (0)))x3 (ξ). If x is such that x1 ∈ succr∃ , we will ...
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(ϕ → ψ) → ((ϕ → (ψ → χ)) → (ϕ → χ))
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(ϕ ∧ ψ) → ϕ and (ϕ ∧ ψ) → ψ
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ϕ → (ϕ ∨ ψ) and ψ → (ϕ ∨ ψ)
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(ϕ → χ) → ((ψ → χ) → ((ϕ ∨ ψ) → χ)) 16 Merlin Carl
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(ϕ → ψ) → ((ϕ → ¬ ψ) → ¬ ϕ)
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ϕ(t) → ∃ xϕ(x) Proof. For the most part, the proofs are obvious and the details given in [7], section 4.1, for “unrandomized” OTMs go through. We thus focus o n the cases that are more involved or involve the oracle in some relevant way
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We need to compute an as-OTM-realizer r for ((ϕ → (ψ → χ)) → (ϕ → χ))
Let rϕ→ ψ ⊩OTM as ϕ → ψ. We need to compute an as-OTM-realizer r for ((ϕ → (ψ → χ)) → (ϕ → χ)). r will, on input rϕ→ (ψ→ ξ) ⊩OTM as ϕ → (ψ → χ), output the code of an OTM-program P that does the following: Given a real number x and an as-OTM-realizer rϕ ⊩OTM as ϕ, we let x =: x0 ⊕ x1. Then successively compute r0,x := rx0 ϕ→ ψ(rϕ), r1,x := rx0 ϕ→ (ψ→ χ)(r...
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Let rϕ→ χ ⊩OTM as ϕ → χ be given. Our procedure will map this to the OTM- program r which works as follows: Given rψ→ χ ⊩OTM as ψ → χ, output the OTM-program r′ which has the following function: Given rϕ∨ ψ ⊩OTM as ϕ ∨ ψ, along with x ⊆ ω, first compute j := rx0 ϕ∨ χ(0). Then one of the following cases occurs: (a) If j = 0, compute rx1 ϕ→ χ(rx0 ϕ∨ ψ(1)) an...
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Recall that we interpret ¬ ϕ as ϕ → (1 = 0). Let rϕ→ ψ ⊩OTM as ϕ → ψ. We will compute on this input the OTM-program r that works as follows: Given rϕ→¬ ψ ⊩OTM as , rϕ ⊩OTM as ϕ and x ⊆ ω, we proceed as follows: Decompose x =: x0 ⊕ x1. Then compute r0 := rx0 ϕ→ ψ(rϕ) and r1 := rx0 ϕ→¬ ψ(rϕ). Then return rx1 1 (r0). If x is such that x0 ∈ succrϕ rϕ→ψ ∩ succ...
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Let r¬ ϕ be an as-OTM-realizer of ¬ ϕ, i.e., of ϕ → (1 = 0). If there was an as-OTM-realizer r for ϕ, then, taking x ∈ succr r¬ϕ , we would have that rx ¬ ϕ(rϕ) ⊢ OTM as (1 = 0), which, by definition of as-OTM-realizability for Almost sure OTM-realizability 17 atomic formulas, cannot be. It follows that ϕ has no as-OTM-realizers. Thus, we can output the OT...
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Call this procedure P ; then succ t P = succ t r∀ ∈ B
Given r∀ ⊩OTM as ∀aϕ(a), a set t ∈ Hω1 and a real number x, we output rx ∀ (t). Call this procedure P ; then succ t P = succ t r∀ ∈ B
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Given an as-OTM-realizer rϕ of ϕ(t), return the program that, on input 0, returns rϕ while on input 1, it returns t (recall that, by clause (4) in the definition of as-OTM-realizers, the parameters used in the antece dent of an implication are passed on to the program realizing the succedent, so that t is indeed available). Lemma 28. 1. The axioms of exten...
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The ∆0-separation scheme is as-OTM-realizable
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The (full) collection scheme is as-OTM-realizable
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The induction scheme is OTM-realizable. Proof. 1. Trivial
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Let a set X ∈ Hω1 be given, along with a ∆0-formula ϕ and a real number x.14 To compute Xϕ := {a ∈ X : ϕ(a)}, we can ignore x and use the fact that truth of ∆0-formulas is easily seen to be decidable on an OTM; computing an as-OTM-realizer for a true ∆0-statement ϕ (uniformly in ϕ) then works as in [8], Theorem 25
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We want to realize the following statement: ∀X((∀x ∈ X∃yϕ(x, y)) → ∃ Y ∀x ∈ X∃y ∈ Y ϕ(x, y))
Let ϕ(x, y) be ∆0. We want to realize the following statement: ∀X((∀x ∈ X∃yϕ(x, y)) → ∃ Y ∀x ∈ X∃y ∈ Y ϕ(x, y)). So let a (code for a) set X be given. Moreover, suppose that r ⊩as-OTM ∀x ∈ X∃yϕ(x, y). For each x ∈ X, there is a set Ox ∈ B such that ϕ(x, ry (x)) for all y ∈ O x. Let O := ⋂ x∈ X Ox. Since X is countable, we have µ(O) = 1. So, relative to th...
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This leaves us with induction; our argument will be similar to the one f or Theorem 43 in [8]. However, showing that the ocuring success sets h ave measure 1 requires some care; we therefore give the proof in deta ils. We need to provide an OTM-effective method that, given an ∈ -formula ϕ, computes an as-OTM-realizer for Indϕ := ∀a((∀b ∈ aϕ(b)) → ϕ(a)) → ∀...
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