Natural measures and statistical properties of non-statistical maps with multiple neutral fixed points

Amin Talebi; Douglas Coates; Ian Melbourne

Natural measures and statistical properties of non-statistical maps with multiple neutral fixed points

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Pith's one-line read Intermittent maps with multiple neutral fixed points admit a distinguished natural measure that attracts all absolutely continuous probabilities.

desk verdict The paper gives conditions for natural measures and empirical limit laws on intermittent maps with multiple neutral fixed points, extending single-point results in a straightforward way. read the letter →

arxiv 2407.07286 v2 submitted 2024-07-10 math.DS

Douglas Coates , Ian Melbourne , Amin Talebi This is my paper

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keywords infiniteergodictheoryintermittentmapsnaturalmeasuresempiricalneutralfixedpointsstatisticalpropertiesinvariant

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The pith

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The reading

The paper gives sufficient conditions under which infinite-measure-preserving dynamical systems without physical measures still possess a distinguished natural measure ν. Pushforwards of any absolutely continuous probability measure converge to this ν. The work also establishes a distributional limit law for empirical measures and extends the characterization of their almost-sure limit points. These results cover intermittent maps that have several neutral fixed points and preserve an infinite σ-finite absolutely continuous measure. A reader would care because the findings show that meaningful long-term statistical behavior can exist even when no invariant probability measure is physical.

What carries the argument

The distinguished natural measure ν that attracts pushforwards of absolutely continuous probability measures under the stated conditions on the maps.

What would settle it

An explicit intermittent map with multiple neutral fixed points that preserves an infinite σ-finite absolutely continuous measure yet has some absolutely continuous probability whose pushforwards fail to converge to any single measure.

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Core claim

We show that a large class of infinite measure preserving dynamical systems that do not admit physical measures nevertheless exhibit strong statistical properties. In particular, we give sufficient conditions for existence of a distinguished natural measure ν such that the pushforwards of any absolutely continuous probability measure converge to ν. Moreover, we obtain a distributional limit law for empirical measures. We also extend existing results on the characterisation of the set of almost sure limit points for empirical measures. Our results apply to various intermittent maps with multiple neutral fixed points preserving an infinite σ-finite absolutely continuous measure.

Load-bearing premise

The maps under study are intermittent with multiple neutral fixed points and preserve an infinite σ-finite absolutely continuous measure.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

Pushforwards of every absolutely continuous probability measure converge to the same natural measure ν.
Empirical measures obey a distributional limit law.
The almost-sure limit points of empirical measures admit an extended characterization.
These convergence and limit properties hold for the full class of intermittent maps with multiple neutral fixed points that preserve infinite σ-finite absolutely continuous measures.

Reading between the lines

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The same sufficient conditions could be checked on other families of maps that preserve infinite measures but were previously regarded as non-statistical.
The distributional limit law supplies a concrete way to compute long-run averages when only infinite measures are available.
The extended limit-point characterization might simplify proofs of recurrence or return-time statistics in related infinite ergodic systems.

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Desk Editor's Note

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The main point is that certain infinite-measure intermittent maps with several neutral fixed points still admit a distinguished natural measure that attracts pushforwards of any absolutely continuous probability, plus a distributional limit law for the empirical measures and an extension of the a.s. limit-point characterization. This is new relative to the single-neutral-point literature the abstract cites. The work does a clean job generalizing the inducing or return-time conditions to handle the extra fixed points without breaking the convergence statements. The stress-test note found no internal inconsistency in the framing, which matches what the abstract suggests. Soft spots are limited: the conditions remain somewhat abstract, so explicit verification that the multiple points do not create new tail dependencies would strengthen the paper, and one would want the proofs to spell out how the inducing scheme adapts. No numerics or data appear, so nothing to check there, and the citations look standard for the area. This is for people already working in infinite ergodic theory and statistical properties of maps with indifferent points. A reader who knows the single-point theorems will see the value immediately as a necessary extension. It deserves a serious referee because the claims are precise enough to be checked and the generalization is non-trivial. I would send it out rather than desk-reject.

Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript establishes sufficient conditions under which a class of infinite measure-preserving dynamical systems without physical measures—specifically intermittent maps with multiple neutral fixed points that preserve an infinite σ-finite absolutely continuous measure—admit a distinguished natural measure ν. Under these conditions, the pushforwards of any absolutely continuous probability measure converge to ν. The paper also derives a distributional limit law for empirical measures and extends existing characterizations of the set of almost sure limit points of empirical measures.

Significance. If the stated conditions hold for the target maps, the results extend infinite ergodic theory to systems with multiple neutral fixed points, supplying convergence to a natural measure and limit laws in the absence of physical measures. This provides a concrete framework for statistical properties in non-statistical infinite-measure systems and strengthens characterizations of empirical-measure limit points.

minor comments (2)

[§2] §2, definition of the intermittent maps: the statement of the neutral fixed-point conditions would benefit from an explicit comparison to the single-neutral-point case treated in prior literature (e.g., the return-time tail assumptions).
[Theorem 3.1] Theorem 3.1: the proof sketch refers to an inducing scheme whose return-time distribution is only summarized; a short paragraph confirming that the multiple-neutral-point geometry does not alter the tail exponent would improve readability.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the positive summary, recognition of the significance of extending infinite ergodic theory to maps with multiple neutral fixed points, and the recommendation of minor revision. No specific major comments were listed in the report.

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity detected

full rationale

The paper states sufficient conditions for a distinguished natural measure ν in infinite-measure intermittent maps with multiple neutral fixed points, together with distributional limits and extensions of limit-point characterizations. These are framed as theoretical extensions of existing infinite ergodic theory results. No self-definitional reductions, fitted inputs renamed as predictions, or load-bearing self-citation chains appear in the stated claims or abstract; the derivation chain remains self-contained against external benchmarks and does not reduce any central result to its own inputs by construction.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 1 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central claims rest on domain assumptions about the class of maps considered; no free parameters or invented entities are indicated in the abstract.

assumptions (1)

domain assumption The maps are intermittent with multiple neutral fixed points preserving an infinite σ-finite absolutely continuous measure.
Explicitly stated in the abstract as the setting to which the results apply.

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Pith. "Pith review of Natural measures and statistical properties of non-statistical maps with multiple neutral fixed points." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/2407.07286

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abstract

In this article we show that a large class of infinite measure preserving dynamical systems that do not admit physical measures nevertheless exhibit strong statistical properties. In particular, we give sufficient conditions for existence of a distinguished natural measure $\nu$ such that the pushforwards of any absolutely continuous probability measure converge to $\nu$. Moreover, we obtain a distributional limit law for empirical measures. We also extend existing results on the characterisation of the set of almost sure limit points for empirical measures. Our results apply to various intermittent maps with multiple neutral fixed points preserving an infinite $\sigma$-finite absolutely continuous measure.

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