REVIEW 4 major objections 4 minor 31 references
Probabilistic size-and-shape functional mixed models
T0 review · 4 major / 4 minor · reviewed 2026-08-12 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read This paper demonstrates that a Bayesian functional mixed model can recover the size-and-shape of a square-integrable fixed effect function from noisy replicates with phase variation, although pointwise recovery is impossible.
desk verdict A genuinely new Bayesian functional mixed model with sound algebra and one solid independent simulation, but the headline recovery claim is only numerically supported and the missing identifiability theory should shape the review. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing object is the norm-preserving action $D_\gamma(f)=(f\circ\gamma)\sqrt{\dot\gamma}$, where $\gamma$ belongs to the group $\Gamma$ of increasing diffeomorphisms of $[0,1]$; because it preserves the $L^2$ norm, each $D_\gamma$ is a unitary transformation, i.e., an infinite-dimensional rotation of the Hilbert space. The paper defines the size-and-shape of $f$ as the equivalence class $\{D_\gamma(f):\gamma\in\Gamma\}$, treats the random phase $\gamma_i$ as a rotation of the coordinate system in which $\mu$ and $v_i$ are expressed, and carries out inference on the phase-rotated basis coefficients. Two prior families on $\Gamma$---a one-parameter quadratic family and a Dirichlet-increment prior on discretized warps---regularize the rotation, and the marginal likelihood (integrating out $v_i$) is multivariate normal with mean $\Phi_i a$ and covariance $\sigma^2\mathrm{diag}(\dot\gamma_i)+\sigma_c^2\tilde\Phi_i\tilde\Phi_i^T$. Phase centering of posterior draws, using the average posterior phase, converts the posterior into summaries of the size-and-shape orbit.
What would settle it
Simulate $n$ curves from $f_i=D_{\gamma_i}(\mu+v_i+\epsilon_i)$ with phase functions drawn from a flexible family outside the two priors and with a true $\mu$ that is not exactly representable in the chosen basis; compute $d=\inf_{\gamma\in\Gamma}\|\hat\mu_{\mathrm{center}}-D_\gamma\mu\|$ for the centered posterior mean. If $d$ does not decrease as $n$ grows, the claim that the size-and-shape is recoverable is falsified.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The paper's central claim is that the size-and-shape of a square-integrable fixed effect $\mu$---its $D_\gamma$-orbit in $L^2[0,1]$---is reliably recoverable under the Bayesian functional mixed model $f_i=D_{\gamma_i}(\mu+v_i+\epsilon_i)$, despite the well-known non-identifiability of $\mu$ itself. The norm-preserving operator $D_\gamma(f)=(f\circ\gamma)\sqrt{\dot\gamma}$ is a unitary rotation of the Hilbert space, so the model separates size-and-shape preserving deviations (the random phase $\gamma_i$) from size-and-shape altering ones (the random function $v_i$ and measurement error $\epsilon_i$). The authors estimate the posterior of $\mu$, then center every posterior draw by the average posterior phase $\bar\gamma$: $(\hat\mu^j\circ\bar\gamma)\sqrt{\dot{\bar\gamma}}$; the centered draws and their pointwise mean are taken as summaries of the size-and-shape class. In simulations the centered posterior mean recovers the true orbit even when the data were generated with value-preserving warping (the mechanism assumed by the state-of-the-art), and in real data examples it preserves topological features such as growth spurts and ECG complexes that the state-of-the-art estimate misses. The paper is explicit that theoretical support for this recovery is not yet provided; the claim is established through posterior sampling and numerical comparisons.
Load-bearing premise
The whole result depends on the assumption that the prior choices and the finite basis used to represent the mean keep time-warping from being confused with amplitude differences or noise; the paper demonstrates this by simulation but provides no proof.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- If the claim holds, practitioners can report a meaningful average function for populations whose members differ in timing, because the centered posterior mean targets the size-and-shape orbit rather than a misaligned pointwise mean.
- The model produces posterior credible intervals for that orbit, so uncertainty quantification for the geometric average is available without finite-rank covariance assumptions on the error process.
- Because the phase functions rotate the chosen basis, a modest number of fixed Fourier or B-spline basis functions can represent complex fixed effects; the paper reports that this beats an empirical FPCA basis fitted to the same data.
- The size-and-shape target remains estimable when the true data generator uses value-preserving warping, which is the assumption of the state-of-the-art approach, so the two modeling traditions are not incompatible at the level of the recovered object.
- The authors point out that the same construction extends to sparsely observed or fragmented functions and to curves and surfaces in higher dimensions through the same norm-preserving action.
Reading between the lines
- A likely formal consequence of the numerical findings is a posterior contraction theorem for the orbit $[\mu]$ under the norm-preserving action; the natural next step is to prove that the phase-centered posterior accumulates at the true equivalence class as $n$ grows, with a rate depending on the support of the phase prior.
- If the equivalence class under the norm-preserving action is genuinely larger than under the value-preserving action, the method should exhibit faster orbit recovery in high phase-variability regimes; this is a testable prediction that could be checked by comparing centered posterior distances across simulated phase distributions with increasing entropy.
- The paper's own loss function for comparing estimators (squared pointwise error on centered representatives) implicitly rewards pointwise fidelity within the orbit; a stricter evaluation would report the distance to the orbit itself, which may change the apparent margin over the state of the art.
- The framework suggests a general recipe for mixed effects models with nuisance symmetries: choose a group action whose orbits define the identifiable quantity, put a prior on the group element, and summarize the fixed effect by an orbit-centered posterior; applying this recipe with rotation groups rather than time-warps would yield Bayesian size-and-shape analysis for landmark or curve data.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper proposes a Bayesian functional mixed model for a fixed effect function μ in the presence of object-level phase and amplitude variability. The observation model is fi = D_{γ_i}(μ + v_i + ε_i), where D_γ is the norm-preserving (square-root slope) action of the phase group Γ. The likelihood is obtained by marginalizing the random-effect coefficients, leading to the multivariate normal model in Eq. (6). Two prior models for phase functions are proposed, one one-parameter and one Dirichlet-based, and posterior inference is carried out by MCMC with Metropolis-Hastings updates. The main claim is that the size-and-shape of μ, i.e., its equivalence class under the norm-preserving action, can be recovered from the posterior, even though pointwise recovery is impossible. Evidence is provided through two simulation studies and several real-data examples, with comparisons to the warpMix estimator and a Bayesian registration approach.
Significance. If the central claim is established, the paper would make a useful contribution: it offers a Bayesian functional mixed model with unrestricted phase variation, avoids finite-rank covariance assumptions on the error process, and provides a principled way to summarize what can be learned about μ under a strong symmetry group. The simulations show competitive or better performance than warpMix in several examples, and the real-data analyses are visually plausible. The paper also ships detailed derivations of the marginal likelihood and Metropolis-Hastings ratios (Appendices C and D), which are valuable. However, the central claim is currently supported only by numerical demonstrations, and the paper explicitly concedes in Section 5 that theoretical support is lacking. The numerical evidence consists of single MCMC runs without repeated-experiment error bars, and the evaluation metric is partially tied to the chosen centering procedure. The significance of the work therefore depends on whether the identifiability and posterior-concentration issue can be resolved or at least sharply characterized.
major comments (4)
- [Section 5 and Eq. (6)] The abstract claims to 'demonstrate that it is possible to recover the size-and-shape of a square-integrable μ', but the paper explicitly states in Section 5: 'What is lacking is theoretical support for the same.' This is a load-bearing gap: the model in Eq. (6) involves parameters θ = (a, σ², σ_c², γ_1,...,γ_n) where the phase functions enter both the mean Φ_i a and the covariance σ²diag(γ̇_i) + σ_c² Φ̃_i Φ̃_i^T. No theorem is given that the map from θ to the sampling distribution is identifiable on the quotient by the norm-preserving action, nor that the posterior contracts to the true orbit [μ]. Without such a result, the numerical demonstrations do not establish the general claim for square-integrable μ. A concrete remedy would be to prove identifiability of the orbit under the stated priors, or to state the claim as a conjecture supported by a systematic simulation study with varied μ, n, signal-to-noise ratio, and repeated seeds.
- [Section 4.1 and Table 1] The numerical evidence consists of single MCMC runs: Example 1 draws data from the model itself, and Example 2 draws from the warpMix model, but no repeated simulations, Monte Carlo standard errors, or error bars are reported for the entries in Table 1. Consequently, it is unclear whether the reported improvements over warpMix are systematic or within Monte Carlo noise. I recommend reporting repeated-seed summaries (means and standard errors) for the error criterion Δμ, and ideally reporting an orbit-level error that is invariant to the norm-preserving action, rather than only a pointwise criterion applied after the posterior centering step.
- [Section 4 and Appendix H] The recovery of μ is evaluated after centering posterior samples by the average posterior phase γ̄, i.e., (μ̂_j ∘ γ̄)√(γ̄̇). This centering is reasonable for visualization, but it means the 'recovered' representative is partly determined by the posterior phase estimates. If the posterior for γ_i is biased, the centered mean may lie in the wrong equivalence class while still looking well-centered. The paper does not provide an orbit-invariant measure of recovery error, so the numerical demonstrations do not fully separate phase recovery from amplitude recovery. A simple additional check would be to report distances between orbits, e.g., inf_{γ∈Γ} ‖μ̂_centered - D_γ(μ_true)‖, or to assess recovery of γ_i and μ jointly under a known generative model.
- [Appendix H] Appendix H shows that under-specifying Bf, the number of basis functions for μ, visibly destroys recovery of μ, while the abstract promises recovery for general square-integrable μ. Since the model represents μ in a finite-dimensional basis and no data-driven selection of Bf is provided, the central claim is sensitive to a tuning parameter whose correct value is generally unknown. The paper should either restrict the claim to functions well-approximated by the chosen basis, or provide a practical procedure for choosing Bf and evidence that recovery is robust to reasonable misspecification.
minor comments (4)
- [Section 4, Figure 2 caption] The caption contains a typo: 'warpMix esimate' should be 'warpMix estimate'.
- [Eq. (7)] The one-parameter phase family γ(t) = t + α t(t−1) with α ∈ (−1,1) is stated to have γ̇(t) ∈ (0,2); please verify and state the exact range of γ̇, since the boundary behavior affects the prior support.
- [Appendix D, Eq. (20)] The notation γ̇^{-1}_{cur}(·) in the Jacobian expression is confusing; it would be clearer to write the derivative of γ_cur^{-1} evaluated at the relevant point.
- [Section 2, item (iii)] The statement that the measure of an equivalence class under the norm-preserving action is 'larger' than under the value-preserving action is heuristic and is not used in the subsequent theory or experiments; consider clarifying or removing it to avoid overclaiming.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the size-and-shape recovery claim is an empirical demonstration, not an identity; the orbit-centering convention and self-cited phase priors do not reduce the target to the estimator, though identifiability theory is admittedly missing.
full rationale
The central claim is that the posterior mean of µ, after centering with the average estimated phase, recovers the size-and-shape equivalence class [µ] under the norm-preserving action. I could not exhibit an equation in which the target is defined by the estimator or a parameter fitted to the outcome is reused as a prediction. The centering step (ˆµj ◦ ¯γ)√˙¯γ (Section 4) chooses a representative of the inferred orbit; it does not force the representative into the true orbit unless the posterior samples are already there, so the recovery claim retains independent content. The numerical demonstrations include data generated from the warpMix model (Example 2) and are scored against external benchmarks (warpMix, BRFC), so the evaluation is not self-referential. The phase priors PM1/PM2 are drawn from earlier work by the same authors (Bharath & Kurtek 2020; Matuk et al. 2022), but they enter as modeling assumptions, not as an imported uniqueness theorem that forbids alternatives; the paper nowhere invokes a prior theorem to declare its phase-amplitude separation forced. Section 5 concedes the absence of formal support ('What is lacking is theoretical support for the same, and this is work in progress'), and Appendix H shows sensitivity to under-specified Bf — both are correctness/identifiability gaps, not circularity. Per the hard rule, lack of a theorem is not a circular step, so the circularity score is 0.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (4)
- Bf (number of basis functions for mu) =
6 in most experiments; 12 for PQRST, gait, signature and gene expression
- Br (number of basis functions for random effect v_i) =
6 in all experiments
- theta_gamma (concentration in PM2 phase prior) =
30
- T_gamma (number of phase discretization points in PM2) =
7 in Example 2; 5 or 7 generally
assumptions (5)
- standard math The norm-preserving action D_gamma(f) = (f composed with gamma) times sqrt(gamma') is a unitary operator and preserves the size-and-shape of f as defined via this action.
- domain assumption The equivalence class under the norm-preserving action is larger, in the measure-theoretic sense, than under the value-preserving action, and this larger class is what makes recovery of the size-and-shape feasible.
- ad hoc to paper The priors on gamma_i guard against confounding between gamma_i and mu, so the posterior can separate phase from amplitude.
- domain assumption The discretized model with basis truncation (Bf, Br) adequately represents mu and v_i so that the posterior summaries approximate the infinite-dimensional target.
- domain assumption MCMC samples converge to the stationary posterior distribution.
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Probabilistic size-and-shape functional mixed models." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/F3UDSY3J
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year = {2026},
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abstract
The reliable recovery and uncertainty quantification of a fixed effect function $\mu$ in a functional mixed model, for modelling population- and object-level variability in noisily observed functional data, is a notoriously challenging task: variations along the $x$ and $y$ axes are confounded with additive measurement error, and cannot in general be disentangled. The question then as to what properties of $\mu$ may be reliably recovered becomes important. We demonstrate that it is possible to recover the size-and-shape of a square-integrable $\mu$ under a Bayesian functional mixed model. The size-and-shape of $\mu$ is a geometric property invariant to a family of space-time unitary transformations, viewed as rotations of the Hilbert space, that jointly transform the $x$ and $y$ axes. A random object-level unitary transformation then captures size-and-shape \emph{preserving} deviations of $\mu$ from an individual function, while a random linear term and measurement error capture size-and-shape \emph{altering} deviations. The model is regularized by appropriate priors on the unitary transformations, posterior summaries of which may then be suitably interpreted as optimal data-driven rotations of a fixed orthonormal basis for the Hilbert space. Our numerical experiments demonstrate utility of the proposed model, and superiority over the current state-of-the-art.
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Works this paper leans on
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Fixed effect coefficients: acan ∼ N (acur, Σa)
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Variance of error process: (σ2)can ∼ TN((σ2)cur, τ2 σ, 0, ∞)
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Variance of size-and-shape altering random effect: (σ2 c )can ∼ TN((σ2 c )cur, τ2 σc , 0, ∞)
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Size-and-shape preserving random effect (phase functions) under Prior Model 1: αcan i ∼ Uniform(αcur i − δ, αcur i + δ)
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TN stands for the truncated normal distribution
Size-and-shape preserving random effect (phase functions) under Prior Model 2: γcan = γcur ◦ ˜γ, where p(˜γ) ∼ Dirichlet(αt). TN stands for the truncated normal distribution. Notably, the proposal in 5. for phase functions utilizes the group structure of Γ. The proposal covariance matrix Σa is adapted during the burn-in period according to the empirical c...
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or (γi)k, i= 1, . . . , n(Prior Model 2), k = 1, . . . , N− Nb. for j in 1:N do if mod(j, Nt) == 0 and j < Nb then
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Update Σa based on the empirical correlation matrix of the last Nt samples of a. end if
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if U < ρa, U ∼ Unif(0, 1) then
Propose acan and compute ρa using (11). if U < ρa, U ∼ Unif(0, 1) then
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Set aj+1 = acan. else
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end if if mod(j, Nt) == 0 and j < Nb then
Set aj+1 = aj. end if if mod(j, Nt) == 0 and j < Nb then
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Update τ 2 σ based on the acceptance rate of the last Nt samples of σ2. end if
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if U < pσ2 , U ∼ Unif(0, 1) then
Propose (σ2)can and compute ρσ2 using (12). if U < pσ2 , U ∼ Unif(0, 1) then
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Set (σ2)j+1 = (σ2)can. else
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end if if mod(j, Nt) == 0 and j < Nb then
Set (σ2)j+1 = (σ2)j. end if if mod(j, Nt) == 0 and j < Nb then
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Update τ 2 σc based on the acceptance rate of the last Nt samples of σ2 c . end if
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if U < pσ2 c , U ∼ Unif(0, 1) then
Propose (σ2 c )can and compute ρσ2c using (12). if U < pσ2 c , U ∼ Unif(0, 1) then
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Set (σ2 c )j+1 = (σ2 c )can. else
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end if for i in 1:n do if Prior Model 1 then if mod(j, Nt) == 0 and j < Nb then
Set (σ2 c )j+1 = (σ2 c )j. end if for i in 1:n do if Prior Model 1 then if mod(j, Nt) == 0 and j < Nb then
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Update δ based on the acceptance rate of the last Nt samples of αi. end if
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if U < pαi , U ∼ Unif(0, 1) then
Propose αcan i and compute ραi using (13). if U < pαi , U ∼ Unif(0, 1) then
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Set (αi)j+1 = αcan i . else
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end if end if if Prior Model 2 then if mod(j, Nt) == 0 and j < Nb then
Set (αi)j+1 = (αi)j. end if end if if Prior Model 2 then if mod(j, Nt) == 0 and j < Nb then
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Update α based on the acceptance rate of the last Nt samples of γi. end if
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if U < pγi , U ∼ Unif(0, 1) then
Propose γcan i and compute ργi using (14). if U < pγi , U ∼ Unif(0, 1) then
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end if end if end for end for 18 (a) (b) (c) (d) (e) Figure 7: Row 1: Simulated data - row 1 in Figure 2 in Section 4.1
Set (γi)j+1 = (γi)j. end if end if end for end for 18 (a) (b) (c) (d) (e) Figure 7: Row 1: Simulated data - row 1 in Figure 2 in Section 4.1. Row 2: Simulated data - row 2 in Figure 2 in Section 4.1. Row 3: Berkeley - row 1 in Figure 4 in Section 4.2. Row 4: PQRST - row 2 in F...
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Pinch force data [Ramsay et al., 1995], which was also analyzed by Claeskens et al. [2021]
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Respiration data [Kurtek et al., 2013]
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Gait data [Kurtek et al., 2013]
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Signature acceleration data [Kneip and Ramsay, 2008]
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22 (a) (b) (c) (d) Figure 11: Estimation results for the pinch force, respiration, gait, signature acceleration and gene expression datasets (top to bottom)
Gene expression data [Srivastava et al., 2011b]. 22 (a) (b) (c) (d) Figure 11: Estimation results for the pinch force, respiration, gait, signature acceleration and gene expression datasets (top to bottom). (a) Data. (b)&(c) Centered posterior mean (black) and 95% credible int...
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