Newton-Mandelbrot set and Murase-Mandelbrot set
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The pith
Four extended Mandelbrot recurrence formulas from Wasan all generate the same connected closed set.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
We obtain four extended Newton's methods and three extended Mandelbrot's recurrence formulas from the Wasan. Furthermore, two extended Newton's methods relate to one of the extended Mandelbrot's recurrence formulas. We lead four types of extended Mandelbrot recurrence formulas. Next, we show that these become the same extended Mandelbrot set, and connected, closed set. These show the originality of Wasan.
What carries the argument
Four types of extended Mandelbrot recurrence formulas derived from Wasan, shown to be equivalent in producing one connected closed set.
If this is right
- All four formulas produce identical extended Mandelbrot sets.
- The common set is connected.
- The common set is closed.
- Two extended Newton's methods correspond to one of the Mandelbrot recurrence formulas.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The equivalence implies that different historical starting points can converge on the same modern fractal object.
- One formula could serve as a computational proxy for the others in further exploration of the set.
- Similar derivations might exist in other historical mathematical traditions and could be checked for comparable unifications.
Load-bearing premise
The four extended Mandelbrot recurrence formulas derived from Wasan are mathematically well-defined and their equivalence to a single connected closed set follows from the extensions without additional unstated assumptions about convergence or topology.
What would settle it
Numerical iteration of each of the four recurrence formulas over the same grid in the complex plane, followed by direct comparison of the resulting point sets for exact overlap and verification of connectedness and closedness.
read the original abstract
We obtain four extended Newton's methods and three extended Mandelbrot's recurrence formulas from the Wasan (Japanese mathematics in the Edo period (1603-1868)). Furthermore, two extended Newton's methods relate to one of the extended Mandelbrot's recurrence formulas. We lead four types of extended Mandelbrot recurrence formulas. Next, we show that these become the same extended Mandelbrot set, and connected, closed set. These show the originality of Wasan.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript derives four extended Newton's methods and three extended Mandelbrot recurrence formulas from Wasan (Edo-period Japanese mathematics). It relates two extended Newton methods to one recurrence, obtains four types of extended Mandelbrot recurrences, and asserts that these four become identical, forming a single connected and closed set, thereby demonstrating the originality of Wasan.
Significance. If the claimed equivalence, connectedness, and closedness were rigorously derived from explicit formulas and topological arguments, the work could illustrate non-trivial links between historical Japanese mathematics and modern complex dynamics. However, the absence of any definitions, recurrences, derivations, or proofs in the manuscript means no such contribution is currently established.
major comments (3)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that 'these become the same extended Mandelbrot set, and connected, closed set' is asserted without any definition of the four extended recurrences, without the explicit formulas obtained from Wasan, and without any derivation or argument establishing their identity. This is the load-bearing assertion of the paper.
- [Abstract] Abstract: connectedness and closedness are stated as properties of the common set, yet no control on the iteration at infinity, no topology on the parameter space, and no theorem guaranteeing these properties for the (unspecified) maps are supplied. Different recurrence rules do not automatically share the same escape locus.
- [Abstract] Abstract: the statement that 'two extended Newton's methods relate to one of the extended Mandelbrot's recurrence formulas' and that 'we lead four types' is given with no supporting equations, change-of-variable arguments, or algebraic conjugacy that would map orbits between the four rules.
minor comments (1)
- [Abstract] The phrasing 'we lead four types' appears to be a translation artifact; a clearer verb such as 'derive' or 'obtain' would improve readability.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
Thank you for the referee's constructive comments. We will revise the manuscript to address the concerns regarding the lack of explicit definitions, formulas, and proofs in the abstract and body. Below we respond point by point.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that 'these become the same extended Mandelbrot set, and connected, closed set' is asserted without any definition of the four extended recurrences, without the explicit formulas obtained from Wasan, and without any derivation or argument establishing their identity. This is the load-bearing assertion of the paper.
Authors: We agree that the abstract is too brief and does not provide the supporting details. The manuscript derives the methods from Wasan, but to strengthen the presentation, we will include the explicit recurrence formulas and a brief derivation in an expanded abstract or introduction section. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: connectedness and closedness are stated as properties of the common set, yet no control on the iteration at infinity, no topology on the parameter space, and no theorem guaranteeing these properties for the (unspecified) maps are supplied. Different recurrence rules do not automatically share the same escape locus.
Authors: The manuscript claims these properties based on the equivalence of the recurrences, but we acknowledge the need for explicit topological arguments. We will add a section discussing the escape criterion at infinity and the topology used to establish connectedness and closedness. revision: yes
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the statement that 'two extended Newton's methods relate to one of the extended Mandelbrot's recurrence formulas' and that 'we lead four types' is given with no supporting equations, change-of-variable arguments, or algebraic conjugacy that would map orbits between the four rules.
Authors: We will provide the explicit change-of-variable arguments and conjugacies in the revised manuscript to show how the Newton's methods relate to the Mandelbrot recurrences and how the four types are obtained. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity: abstract asserts equivalence without visible equations or self-referential reductions.
full rationale
The provided abstract claims derivation of four extended Mandelbrot recurrences from Wasan and states that they 'become the same extended Mandelbrot set, and connected, closed set,' but supplies no equations, no explicit mappings between recurrences, and no derivation steps that could be inspected for self-definition, fitted-input renaming, or load-bearing self-citation. Without any quoted formulas or reduction steps in the visible text, no instance of a 'prediction' or 'result' reducing to its own inputs by construction can be exhibited. The paper is therefore self-contained against external benchmarks on the basis of the given material; any deeper circularity would require the full manuscript equations, which are absent here.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
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