REVIEW 2 major objections
Association measures for two-way contingency tables based on multi-categorical proportional reduction in error
T0 review · 2 major / 0 minor · reviewed 2026-05-23 · grok-4.3
Pith's one-line read New association measures extend proportional reduction in error to multiple categories in contingency tables.
desk verdict A modest extension of classic PRE measures that fixes their tendency to hit zero under dependence for multi-category responses. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
Multi-categorical proportional reduction in error measures, which extend the error-reduction calculation from the single most probable outcome to all categories of the response variable.
What would settle it
A contingency table with three or more response categories in which the variables are dependent yet any of the new measures equals zero would show the extension fails to correct the original limitation.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The proposed measures are extensions of PRE designed for the proportional reduction in error with multiple categories. These measures address the limitation of returning zero despite dependence by using more of the information in the contingency table. The properties of the proposed measures are examined, and their utility is demonstrated through numerical experiments.
Load-bearing premise
That extending PRE to multiple categories will systematically use more table information and avoid returning zero when dependence exists, without new limitations or the need for post-hoc adjustments.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- The measures take values in [0,1] and equal zero only under independence of the row and column variables.
- They apply directly to asymmetric tables that distinguish explanatory and response variables.
- They remain simple to interpret as the proportional reduction in prediction error.
- Numerical checks confirm they produce positive values on tables where standard lambda equals zero.
Reading between the lines
- Analysts could replace lambda with these measures in software routines for categorical data without changing downstream workflows.
- The approach might generalize to three-way tables by conditioning the multi-category reduction on a third variable.
- Direct comparison on the same data sets would reveal how much additional association is captured beyond single-maximum-probability versions.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript proposes an extension of proportional reduction in error (PRE) measures, such as Goodman-Kruskal's lambda, for two-way contingency tables in asymmetric settings (explanatory row variable, response column variable). The extension targets multi-categorical cases to address the known limitation that standard PRE measures can return zero despite dependence, by incorporating more information from the full table rather than only maximum probabilities. Properties of the new measures are examined and their utility is illustrated via numerical experiments, with the conclusion that they have potential as practical tools in applied statistics.
Significance. If the extension indeed uses additional table information to avoid the zero-value problem without introducing new limitations or requiring post-hoc adjustments, the measures could provide a simple, interpretable addition to existing association measures for categorical data analysis.
major comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that the extension 'uses more table information' and avoids returning zero under dependence cannot be evaluated, as no explicit definition, derivation, or verification of the proposed measures is provided.
- [Abstract] Abstract: the numerical experiments are invoked to demonstrate utility, but no results, comparisons to existing measures, or verification steps appear, preventing assessment of whether the extension fulfills the stated motivation.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their review. We address the major comments on the abstract point by point below, noting that abstracts are summaries and the full details appear in the manuscript body.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the central claim that the extension 'uses more table information' and avoids returning zero under dependence cannot be evaluated, as no explicit definition, derivation, or verification of the proposed measures is provided.
Authors: The abstract is a concise summary of the motivation and contribution. The explicit definitions of the multi-categorical PRE measures, their derivation extending the standard PRE framework to incorporate full table probabilities rather than only maxima, and the verification that they avoid zero under dependence are provided in Sections 2 and 3 of the manuscript. revision: no
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the numerical experiments are invoked to demonstrate utility, but no results, comparisons to existing measures, or verification steps appear, preventing assessment of whether the extension fulfills the stated motivation.
Authors: The abstract summarizes the use of numerical experiments. The actual results, direct comparisons to measures such as Goodman-Kruskal lambda, and verification steps confirming the measures address the zero-value limitation are reported in Section 4, including tables and figures. revision: no
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; derivation self-contained
full rationale
The paper proposes new multi-categorical PRE association measures as an explicit extension of existing PRE concepts (e.g., Goodman-Kruskal lambda) to address a known limitation of returning zero under dependence. The abstract and description frame this as a definitional construction of new quantities that incorporate more table information, with properties examined and utility shown via numerical experiments. No equations or steps are visible that reduce a claimed prediction or result to a fitted parameter by construction, nor do any load-bearing premises rest on self-citations whose content is unverified or imported as uniqueness theorems. The central claim remains an independent definitional proposal rather than a renaming or tautological fit, making the derivation self-contained against external benchmarks.
Assumptions & free parameters
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Association measures for two-way contingency tables based on multi-categorical proportional reduction in error." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/2503.06538
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abstract
In two-way contingency tables under an asymmetric situation, where the row and column variables are defined as explanatory and response variables, respectively, quantifying the extent to which the explanatory variable contributes to predicting the response variable is important. One quantification method is the association measure, which indicates the degree of association in a range from $0$ to $1$. Among various measures that have been proposed, those based on proportional reduction in error (PRE) are particularly notable for their simplicity and intuitive interpretation. These measures, including Goodman-Kruskal's lambda proposed in 1954, are widely implemented in statistical software such as R and SAS and remain extensively used. However, a well-known limitation of PRE measures is their potential to return a value of $0$ despite no independence. This issue arises because the measures are constructed based solely on the maximum joint and marginal probabilities, failing to make full use of the information available in the contingency table. To address this problem, we propose an extension of PRE measures designed for the proportional reduction in error with multiple categories. The properties of the proposed measures are examined, and their utility is demonstrated through numerical experiments. The results suggest their potential as practical tools in applied statistics.
Reviewed May 23, 2026 · model on record in the stance chip above.
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