A new characterization of Sobolev spaces on Lipschitz differentiability spaces

Bang-Xian Han; Zhe-Feng Xu; Zhuo-Nan Zhu

arxiv: 2504.16657 · v2 · submitted 2025-04-23 · 🧮 math.FA · math.MG

A new characterization of Sobolev spaces on Lipschitz differentiability spaces

Bang-Xian Han , Zhe-Feng Xu , Zhuo-Nan Zhu This is my paper

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keywords Sobolev spacesLipschitz differentiability spacesnon-local functionalsasymptotic formulasBrezis-Van Schaftingen-Yungmetric measure spacesfunctional analysis

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Sobolev norms on Lipschitz differentiability spaces can be characterized by the asymptotic behavior of non-local functionals without doubling or Poincaré conditions.

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This paper establishes a characterization of Sobolev norms through the asymptotic behavior of non-local functionals. It does so on Lipschitz differentiability spaces, which do not require the doubling condition or a Poincaré inequality. The proof relies on sharp two-sided Brezis-Van Schaftingen-Yung type asymptotic formulas. The authors also construct counterexamples to demonstrate the necessity of the Lipschitz differentiability assumption and present several examples of independent interest.

Core claim

We establish such a characterization on Lipschitz differentiability spaces without assuming either the doubling condition or a Poincaré inequality, by proving sharp two-sided Brezis--Van Schaftingen--Yung type asymptotic formulas. We also construct sharp counterexamples revealing the necessity of our assumptions, and provide several examples which are of independent interest.

What carries the argument

Sharp two-sided Brezis--Van Schaftingen--Yung type asymptotic formulas that recover the Sobolev norm from scaled non-local energies.

If this is right

The characterization of Sobolev spaces extends to spaces without doubling measures.
The formulas provide both upper and lower bounds in the asymptotic limit.
Counterexamples confirm that Lipschitz differentiability is essential for the result to hold.
New examples of spaces where this characterization applies are constructed.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

This could enable analysis of Sobolev functions on a wider range of non-smooth spaces like certain fractals.
Future work might adapt these formulas to other types of function spaces or variational problems.
The decoupling from global measure properties suggests the local differentiability structure is sufficient for the norm characterization.

Load-bearing premise

The underlying space must be a Lipschitz differentiability space so that Lipschitz functions are differentiable almost everywhere.

What would settle it

A Lipschitz differentiability space in which the two-sided asymptotic limit of the non-local functional fails to recover the Sobolev norm.

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Numerous characterizations of Sobolev norms via the asymptotic behavior of non-local functionals have been established over the past decades; however, their validity beyond the PI framework remains poorly understood. We establish such a characterization on Lipschitz differentiability spaces without assuming either the doubling condition or a Poincar\'e inequality, by proving sharp two-sided Brezis--Van Schaftingen--Yung type asymptotic formulas. We also construct sharp counterexamples revealing the necessity of our assumptions, and provide several examples which are of independent interest.

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They extend Sobolev characterizations to Lipschitz differentiability spaces without doubling or Poincaré using sharp asymptotic formulas.

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The main takeaway is that this paper proves sharp two-sided Brezis-Van Schaftingen-Yung type asymptotic formulas that characterize the Sobolev norm on Lipschitz differentiability spaces, and it does so without assuming doubling or a Poincaré inequality. They also supply counterexamples showing why those conditions were needed in prior work and give some examples that stand on their own. This directly addresses the gap noted in the abstract about validity outside the PI framework. The extension to a strictly larger class of spaces is the concrete step forward, and the two-sided nature of the limits keeps the result sharp rather than one-sided. The counterexamples help clarify the boundaries, which is useful for anyone trying to apply these ideas elsewhere. The examples add value beyond the main theorem. The potential weak point is the uniformity of the constants in the equivalence. Without doubling, measures on balls can behave irregularly, so the proof has to extract the necessary control over averages and remainders solely from the almost-everywhere differentiability of Lipschitz functions. If the estimates in the main theorem avoid any hidden covering or volume-comparison arguments that would reintroduce a doubling constant, the claim holds; otherwise the constants might depend on the particular space in a way that weakens the stated generality. Checking the precise statements of the non-local functionals and how the limits are derived would settle this. This paper is for researchers working on Sobolev spaces and functional inequalities in metric measure spaces that go beyond the usual doubling-plus-Poincaré setting. Readers interested in non-local characterizations or in testing how far differentiability assumptions can reach will get direct value from the formulas and the necessity checks. It has enough new ground and supporting material to deserve a serious referee.

Referee Report

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Summary. The paper claims to establish a new characterization of Sobolev spaces on Lipschitz differentiability spaces (LDS) by proving sharp two-sided Brezis--Van Schaftingen--Yung type asymptotic formulas for non-local functionals, without assuming the doubling condition or a Poincaré inequality. It also constructs counterexamples showing the necessity of the assumptions and provides several examples of independent interest.

Significance. If the central claims hold, the work is significant for extending non-local characterizations of Sobolev norms beyond the standard doubling-plus-PI framework to the broader class of LDS, where only a.e. differentiability of Lipschitz functions is required. The provision of sharp two-sided formulas together with necessity counterexamples offers a precise delineation of minimal assumptions, which could inform analysis on irregular metric measure spaces.

major comments (2)

[Statement and proof of the main characterization theorem] Main result on the asymptotic formulas: the proof that the non-local functional converges to the Sobolev norm must explicitly verify that the equivalence constants remain uniform and finite when the underlying measure fails to be doubling. Without doubling, ball measures can exhibit irregular growth; the argument therefore needs to show how a.e. differentiability alone supplies the necessary control on averages and remainders in the integrals, rather than relying on any implicit volume comparison or covering argument.
[Proof of the lower bound in the asymptotic formula] Lower-bound direction of the two-sided estimate: confirm that the passage from the pointwise differentiability information to the integral lower bound does not invoke a maximal-function inequality or Vitali-type covering whose constants depend on a doubling constant; if any such tool appears, the claimed independence from doubling would be compromised.

minor comments (2)

[Introduction] Clarify the precise definition of the non-local functional (including the precise form of the kernel and the range of the scaling parameter) already in the introduction, so that the reader can immediately compare it with the classical Brezis--Van Schaftingen--Yung expressions.
[Counterexamples] In the counterexample constructions, state explicitly which property of the LDS fails in each example and how this causes the asymptotic formula to break.

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We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive comments on our manuscript. The points raised concern the explicit verification of uniformity in our estimates without doubling assumptions. We address each major comment below and indicate the revisions we will make to improve clarity while preserving the core arguments.

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Referee: [Statement and proof of the main characterization theorem] Main result on the asymptotic formulas: the proof that the non-local functional converges to the Sobolev norm must explicitly verify that the equivalence constants remain uniform and finite when the underlying measure fails to be doubling. Without doubling, ball measures can exhibit irregular growth; the argument therefore needs to show how a.e. differentiability alone supplies the necessary control on averages and remainders in the integrals, rather than relying on any implicit volume comparison or covering argument.

Authors: We agree that additional explicit verification enhances clarity. Our proof of the main theorem proceeds from the definition of Lipschitz differentiability spaces, using a.e. differentiability of Lipschitz functions to obtain pointwise control on difference quotients. The integrals are then estimated locally at these points of differentiability, with remainders controlled by the differentiability modulus and the Lipschitz constant; no global volume comparisons or covering arguments are invoked. The resulting equivalence constants depend only on these local quantities and are therefore uniform and finite independently of any doubling constant. We will add a short paragraph immediately after the statement of the main theorem that isolates this independence and sketches the local control on averages. revision: partial
Referee: [Proof of the lower bound in the asymptotic formula] Lower-bound direction of the two-sided estimate: confirm that the passage from the pointwise differentiability information to the integral lower bound does not invoke a maximal-function inequality or Vitali-type covering whose constants depend on a doubling constant; if any such tool appears, the claimed independence from doubling would be compromised.

Authors: The lower bound is derived by applying Fatou's lemma directly to the pointwise lower estimate furnished by a.e. differentiability. At each Lebesgue point where the derivative exists, the difference quotient is bounded from below by the norm of the gradient; integrating this inequality yields the desired lower bound for the non-local functional. No maximal-function inequality or Vitali-type covering is used at any stage. We will insert a brief clarifying sentence in the lower-bound subsection stating that the passage is direct and listing the tools actually employed. revision: yes

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No circularity: direct proof on defined class of spaces

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The paper establishes a characterization of Sobolev spaces via sharp two-sided Brezis-Van Schaftingen-Yung asymptotics on Lipschitz differentiability spaces, using only the a.e. differentiability of Lipschitz functions without doubling or Poincaré inequality. The abstract presents this as a direct proof, with counterexamples constructed separately to show necessity of assumptions. No provided text or equations indicate self-definitional reductions, fitted inputs renamed as predictions, or load-bearing self-citations that collapse the central claim to its inputs. The derivation is self-contained against the stated assumptions and external benchmarks for the class of spaces considered.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central assumption is the Lipschitz differentiability space property, drawn from prior literature on metric spaces; no free parameters or invented entities are mentioned in the abstract.

axioms (1)

domain assumption The space is a Lipschitz differentiability space
Invoked to obtain the asymptotic formulas without doubling or Poincaré inequality.

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lim λ→∞ λ^p (m×m)(E_λ,u) ≥ C1 ∫ (lip(u))^{N+p} (Lip(u))^{-N} dm and upper bound via θ_N^+ ≤ b (Thm 3.1-3.2); Cor. 3.3 on LDS using |Du|^*
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N = log β / log 2 (doubling dimension) with density functions θ_N^±

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