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Primal and dual characterizations of sign-symmetric norms

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Pith's one-line read Sign-symmetric norms on product spaces correspond to convex functions and admit explicit dual and subdifferential formulas.

desk verdict The paper gives explicit dual and subdifferential formulas for sign-symmetric norms on products and extends Clarkson's von Neumann-Jordan result to general spaces. read the letter →

arxiv 2504.19642 v2 submitted 2025-04-28 math.FA

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The paper shows that sign-symmetric norms on product vector spaces correspond to a class of convex functions. From this link the authors derive closed-form expressions for the dual norm and for the convex subdifferential of any given primal norm. These formulas make the norms convenient for studying geometric and analytic questions on product spaces. As a concrete application the work computes the von Neumann-Jordan constant for such norms and extends a classical identity of Clarkson from Lebesgue spaces to arbitrary normed vector spaces.

What carries the argument

The sign-symmetry condition on norms defined on product vector spaces, which produces the correspondence with convex functions and the resulting explicit dual and subdifferential expressions.

What would settle it

An explicit sign-symmetric norm whose dual norm, computed directly, fails to match the closed-form expression given in the paper.

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Core claim

Sign-symmetric norms on product vector spaces are in one-to-one correspondence with a class of convex functions; this correspondence supplies explicit formulas for the dual norm and the convex subdifferential of the primal norm. The same framework is used to evaluate the von Neumann-Jordan constant of norms on product spaces and thereby extends Clarkson’s result from Lebesgue spaces to general normed vector spaces.

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The norms must be invariant under independent sign flips of the coordinates in the product space.

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Summary. The manuscript studies sign-symmetric norms on product vector spaces, establishing correspondences with a class of convex functions. It derives explicit formulas for the dual norm and the convex subdifferential of a given primal norm. The class is shown to be well-suited for problems on product spaces. As an application, the von Neumann-Jordan constant is studied on product spaces and a classical result of Clarkson is extended from Lebesgue spaces to general normed vector spaces.

Significance. If the derivations hold, the explicit dual and subdifferential formulas under the sign-symmetry hypothesis provide concrete tools for analyzing norms on product spaces, which is a strength for applications in Banach space geometry. The extension of Clarkson's result to general spaces is a clear positive contribution that broadens the reach of such constants beyond L_p settings. The upfront structural assumption of sign-symmetry avoids hidden circularity and supports focused, verifiable derivations.

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  1. In the introduction, add a brief concrete example of a sign-symmetric norm on a product space (e.g., R^2 with a weighted l1-type norm) to clarify the property for readers new to the setting.
  2. §3 (dual formula): verify that the explicit dual-norm expression is stated with all variables defined before first use; the current notation for the product-space components is slightly ambiguous on first reading.
  3. The references section contains two minor formatting inconsistencies (missing volume numbers for two journal articles); these should be corrected for consistency with journal style.

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We thank the referee for their positive assessment of the manuscript and the recommendation for minor revision. The referee's summary correctly identifies the core contributions: primal-dual characterizations of sign-symmetric norms on product spaces, explicit formulas for the dual norm and subdifferential, and the extension of Clarkson's result on the von Neumann-Jordan constant from Lebesgue spaces to general normed vector spaces. No major comments appear in the report.

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No significant circularity; derivations self-contained under explicit sign-symmetry hypothesis

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The paper defines the class of sign-symmetric norms on product spaces as the object of study and establishes direct correspondences with convex functions. From this structural assumption it derives explicit formulas for the dual norm and convex subdifferential. These steps are standard functional-analytic constructions (norm duals, subdifferentials) applied inside the given class rather than reductions of outputs to fitted inputs or self-definitions. The application to the von Neumann-Jordan constant and the extension of Clarkson's result are presented as consequences of the established correspondences, not as independent predictions that collapse back to the inputs by construction. No self-citation load-bearing steps, uniqueness theorems imported from prior author work, or ansatzes smuggled via citation appear in the abstract or description. The derivation chain therefore remains self-contained against external mathematical benchmarks.

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The central claims rest on the definition of sign-symmetric norms and standard facts from convex analysis and duality in normed spaces; no free parameters or invented entities are introduced in the abstract.

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  • standard math Basic properties of norms, dual norms, and convex subdifferentials hold in product vector spaces.
    Invoked to derive explicit formulas and the correspondence with convex functions.

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The paper studies primal and dual characterizations of a class of sign-symmetric norms on product vector spaces. Correspondences between these norms and a class of convex functions are established. Explicit formulas for the dual norm and the convex subdifferential of a given primal norm are derived. It is demonstrated that this class of norms is well-suited for studying properties and problems on product spaces. As an application, we study the von Neumann-Jordan constant of norms on product spaces and extend a classical result of Clarkson from Lebesgue spaces to general normed vector spaces.

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