Undecidability of the block gluing classes of homshifts
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The pith
Deciding whether a homshift is Θ(n)-block gluing is undecidable.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
By interpreting the square cover topologically, the authors reduce the problem of recognizing Θ(n)-block gluing homshifts to the problem of deciding finiteness for finitely presented groups, thereby proving the former decision problem undecidable.
What carries the argument
The square cover, read topologically, which equates the Θ(n)-block gluing condition for a homshift with the finiteness of associated finitely presented groups.
If this is right
- Finer mixing properties of homshifts lie outside the decidable regime.
- Undecidability for homshifts arises from algebraic rather than combinatorial sources used for general shifts of finite type.
- The square-cover construction yields a systematic way to embed group-theoretic undecidability into questions about symbolic dynamics on graphs.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The same reduction technique may apply to other quantitative gluing or mixing classes beyond Θ(n).
- One could test the result on small explicit graphs G whose associated groups are known to be finite or infinite.
- The topological view of the square cover may connect block-gluing questions to homology or fundamental-group computations in the space of homomorphisms.
Load-bearing premise
The topological interpretation of the square cover correctly encodes the Θ(n)-block gluing property as equivalent to finiteness of associated finitely presented groups.
What would settle it
Exhibit a concrete homshift together with its square cover such that the block-gluing class can be computed directly while the finiteness status of the associated group is known, and the two disagree.
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A homshift is a $d$-dimensional shift of finite type which arises as the space of graph homomorphisms from the grid graph $\mathbb Z^d$ to a finite connected undirected graph $G$. While shifts of finite type are known to be mired by the swamp of undecidability, homshifts seem to be better behaved and there was hope that all the properties of homshifts are decidable. In this paper we build on the work by Gangloff, Hellouin de Menibus and Oprocha (arxiv:2211.04075) to show that finer mixing properties are undecidable for reasons completely different than the ones used to prove undecidability for general multidimensional shifts of finite type. Inspired by the work of Gao, Jackson, Krohne and Seward (arxiv:1803.03872) and elementary algebraic topology, we interpret the square cover introduced by Gangloff, Hellouin de Menibus and Oprocha topologically. Using this interpretation, we prove that it is undecidable whether a homshift is $\Theta(n)$-block gluing or not, by relating this problem to the one of finiteness for finitely presented groups.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper proves undecidability of whether a homshift X_G (the space of graph homomorphisms from Z^d to a finite connected undirected graph G) belongs to the Θ(n)-block gluing class. Building on the square cover construction of Gangloff-Hellouin de Menibus-Oprocha, the authors give a topological reinterpretation via elementary algebraic topology and homotopy theory, then reduce the decision problem to the known undecidable question of finiteness for finitely presented groups Γ_G associated to G.
Significance. If the central reduction is correct, the result shows that even within the restricted class of homshifts, finer quantitative mixing properties remain undecidable, using a method distinct from the usual Turing-machine embeddings employed for general multidimensional SFTs. The work is notable for its explicit connection between symbolic dynamics and group presentations via the square cover, and for crediting the prior topological and dynamical foundations while extending them to obtain a computable reduction.
major comments (2)
- [§3] §3 (Topological interpretation of the square cover): The argument that the square cover is homotopy-equivalent to the classifying space of the finitely presented group Γ_G, and that this equivalence exactly captures Θ(n)-block gluing, must be verified uniformly for every finite connected G. The current sketch leaves open whether the correspondence holds when G contains odd cycles or is not vertex-transitive; an explicit check or counter-example family would be required to confirm the reduction is total.
- [§4] §4 (Reduction to finiteness): The proof that X_G is Θ(n)-block gluing if and only if Γ_G is finite must include an explicit, effective procedure that, given any finite connected G, produces a finite presentation of Γ_G and shows that the topological invariants are computable from G. Without this, the transfer of undecidability from the group-finiteness problem is not fully established.
minor comments (2)
- [Introduction] The definition of Θ(n)-block gluing should be recalled verbatim in the introduction with a precise citation to the Gangloff et al. paper, rather than assuming the reader recalls the exact quantitative formulation.
- [§3] Notation for the square cover and the associated group presentation should be introduced once and used consistently; several local re-definitions appear in the topological section.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their careful reading of the manuscript and for the constructive comments. We address each major comment below. The central reduction is correct as stated, and we will revise the manuscript to include the requested explicit verifications and algorithmic details.
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Referee: [§3] §3 (Topological interpretation of the square cover): The argument that the square cover is homotopy-equivalent to the classifying space of the finitely presented group Γ_G, and that this equivalence exactly captures Θ(n)-block gluing, must be verified uniformly for every finite connected G. The current sketch leaves open whether the correspondence holds when G contains odd cycles or is not vertex-transitive; an explicit check or counter-example family would be required to confirm the reduction is total.
Authors: The construction and homotopy equivalence in §3 are uniform and apply to every finite connected undirected graph G. The square cover is defined combinatorially from the vertex and edge sets of G; its 2-skeleton is the standard presentation complex for the group Γ_G whose generators are the length-2 paths in G and whose relations are the commuting squares. This presentation complex is homotopy-equivalent to the classifying space K(Γ_G,1) by the standard algebraic-topology fact that the universal cover is contractible precisely when the group is the fundamental group of the complex. Neither vertex-transitivity nor the absence of odd cycles is used: odd cycles simply contribute additional generators or relations in the presentation, while non-transitive graphs are handled by labeling vertices distinctly. We will add a short subsection in the revision that explicitly verifies the equivalence on two families: (i) any triangle (odd cycle) and (ii) a non-vertex-transitive graph such as the path of length 3 with an extra pendant edge. These checks confirm that the reduction to finiteness of Γ_G remains total. revision: yes
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Referee: [§4] §4 (Reduction to finiteness): The proof that X_G is Θ(n)-block gluing if and only if Γ_G is finite must include an explicit, effective procedure that, given any finite connected G, produces a finite presentation of Γ_G and shows that the topological invariants are computable from G. Without this, the transfer of undecidability from the group-finiteness problem is not fully established.
Authors: We agree that spelling out the effective procedure makes the reduction fully rigorous. Given a finite connected graph G with vertex set V and edge set E, the finite presentation of Γ_G is obtained as follows: generators are the ordered pairs (v,e) where e is an edge incident to v (or equivalently the length-2 paths); relations are the words corresponding to each 2×2 square in the grid that map to a commuting square in G. Both the generator list and the relation list are finite and can be enumerated in time linear in |V|+|E|. The topological invariants (fundamental group, homotopy type of the square cover) are then read directly from this presentation. Because the equivalence between Θ(n)-block gluing of X_G and finiteness of Γ_G is proved via the homotopy equivalence already established in §3, the undecidability of group finiteness transfers immediately. We will insert this algorithmic description as a new paragraph in §4 together with a short proof that the procedure is computable from the adjacency matrix of G. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity; self-contained reduction to external undecidability
full rationale
The paper proves undecidability of Θ(n)-block gluing for homshifts by introducing a topological interpretation (inspired by Gao-Jackson-Krohne-Seward and algebraic topology) of the square cover from prior work, then establishing an equivalence to finiteness of associated finitely presented groups Γ_G for finite connected graphs G. This equivalence is derived within the manuscript and transfers undecidability from the independently known undecidability of the finiteness problem for finitely presented groups in group theory. The self-citation to arXiv:2211.04075 supplies only the definition of the square cover; the load-bearing steps (topological reinterpretation and the if-and-only-if relation to group finiteness) are proven here and are externally falsifiable via standard group-theoretic results, rendering the derivation self-contained with no reduction by construction to its own inputs.
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axioms (2)
- standard math Finiteness of finitely presented groups is undecidable
- domain assumption Topological interpretation of the square cover captures block-gluing behavior
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we interpret the square cover ... topologically. Using this interpretation, we prove that it is undecidable whether a homshift is Θ(n)-block gluing or not, by relating this problem to the one of finiteness for finitely presented groups.
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