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Effect of construction steels on PMTs detection efficiency at JUNO

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Pith's one-line read Construction-steel rebars and the TT bridge leave JUNO's PMT magnetic fields within acceptance limits, with maxima of 9% and 18% of the geomagnetic field.

desk verdict Useful JUNO follow-up with a real modeling red flag: the wall-rebar reduction halves the steel volume, and the near-wall Veto field is within 2% of the limit. read the letter →

arxiv 2509.14733 v1 pith:HHW46Y6D submitted 2025-09-18 physics.ins-det

T. Yan , J. Songwadhana , A. Limphirat , Y. Yan , H. Lu , F. Ning , P. Zheng , C. Yang
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G. Zhang W. Sreethawong K. Khosonthongkee N. Suwonjandee (on behalf of JUNO collaboration)
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classification physics.ins-det PACS 29.40.Mc41.20.Gz85.60.Ha
keywords JUNOphotomultipliertubemagneticshieldingcarbonsteelrebarTTbridgegeomagneticfieldmagnetostaticsdetectorefficiency
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The pith

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The reading

This paper tests whether the carbon-steel rebars in JUNO's water pool and the steel top-tracker (TT) bridge above the detector undermine the compensation coils that shield the photomultiplier tubes from the geomagnetic field. Magnetostatic simulations that include the coils, the geomagnetic field at the JUNO site, and the magnetization of the steel find residual fields at the central-detector PMTs of at most 9% of the geomagnetic field, and at the veto PMTs of at most 18%. Both maxima sit below the experiment's accepted limits of 10% and 20%, respectively, so the paper concludes that these construction steels do not hurt PMT detection efficiency. This matters because JUNO needs high photoelectron collection to reach its energy-resolution and neutrino-mass-ordering goals.

What carries the argument

The mechanism that carries the argument is the magnetization of ferromagnetic construction steel in the combined environment of JUNO's compensation coils and the geomagnetic field, computed with a magnetostatics code that uses the integral boundary method and requires no meshing of open space. The key modeling device is the simplified geometry: the TT bridge is compressed into three rectangular boxes that preserve the structure's total weight, and the wall rebars are represented by one quarter of the real rebar count with each simulated rebar given twice the volume. A measured B-H curve for HRB400 steel specifies how strongly the steel magnetizes at the fields present, and radial sampling on

What would settle it

Re-run the magnetostatic calculation with the full-density wall rebar mesh (15 cm spacing, no volume compensation) while keeping everything else identical; if any Veto-PMT sample point then exceeds 20% of the geomagnetic field, the paper's central conclusion fails. Alternatively, a magnetic-field measurement along the water-pool wall after construction would settle it directly.

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Core claim

The paper's central discovery is that steel structures that are present in the real detector but were absent from earlier shielding simulations raise the residual magnetic field at PMT positions from below 3% of the geomagnetic field to maxima of 9% (CD-PMTs) and 18% (Veto-PMTs), still within JUNO's acceptance limits of 10% and 20%. The largest fields occur for PMTs below the TT bridge, near the bottom rebars, and beside the water-pool wall, with the veto PMTs near the main coil axis and wall reaching the highest values. Using measured B-H curves for HRB400 steel and a magnetostatics code, the authors simplify the TT bridge into three weight-preserving rectangular prisms and the wall rebars

Load-bearing premise

The load-bearing premise is that replacing the real 15 cm-spaced wall rebar mesh with one quarter of the rebars at twice the volume per rebar keeps the magnetic response the same, even though the total wall steel volume is halved; if that equivalence fails, the 18% near-wall Veto-PMT value could be an underestimate.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • JUNO can keep its existing compensation-coil design; no extra magnetic shielding is needed to account for the rebars and TT bridge.
  • CD-PMTs see residual fields up to 9% of the geomagnetic field, small enough that the loss of photon-detection efficiency stays minimal.
  • Veto-PMTs see up to 18%, leaving only a two-percentage-point margin below the 20% limit, so that region is the most sensitive to future structural changes.
  • Ignoring construction steel in shielding simulations would understate residual fields: the paper's steel-free baseline gives under 3%, while the full system reaches 9% and 18%.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The paper does not test this, but the wall-rebar simplification halves the total wall steel volume (one-quarter the rebars at twice the volume each). If magnetic response scales with steel volume, the true near-wall Veto-PMT field could sit closer to or above the 20% limit than the simulated 18%.
  • A direct benchmark would be to run the same simulation with the full 15-cm rebar mesh, or to compare against a magnetic-field survey near the wall once the pool is built; the paper does not provide such a check.
  • The same approach could be applied to other underground neutrino and dark-matter detectors that use steel-reinforced concrete near photosensors; rebar magnetization is a generic risk for coil-based shielding.
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Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

3 major / 4 minor

Summary. The manuscript uses Radia magnetostatics simulations to evaluate whether carbon steel rebars in the JUNO water pool and the steel TT bridge spoil the compensation of the geomagnetic field. With the compensation-coil design of Ref. [6], a measured HRB400 B-H curve, and simplified models of the rebar mesh and TT bridge, the authors report maximum residual fields of 9% of the geomagnetic field at the CD-PMT spheres and 18% at the Veto-PMT spheres, below the 10% and 20% acceptance limits. They conclude that construction steel has minimal impact on PMT detection efficiency.

Significance. If the modeling is trustworthy, the result is directly useful for JUNO: it quantifies an effect that was not included in earlier coil-design studies and shows that the current passive steel structures do not push the PMTs outside their magnetic-field tolerances. The calculation is grounded in a measured material curve, actual structural dimensions and weights, and no parameter is fitted to the reported maxima; the 20,000-point surface sampling is generous. The main caveat is that the wall-rebar and TT-bridge simplifications are not validated, and one of them contains an arithmetic inconsistency that could bias the headline margins.

major comments (3)
  1. [Section 3, wall rebars paragraph] The manuscript states that the wall rebar count is reduced to 1/4 (spacing 15 cm to 30 cm in both directions) and compensated by doubling the volume of each rebar. This is arithmetically inconsistent: 1/4 count x 2 volume per bar = 1/2 total wall steel volume. The wall rebars are the dominant source near the water-pool wall, where the Veto-PMT maximum is 18% (Figure 13), only 2 percentage points below the 20% acceptance limit. A factor-of-two reduction in the magnetization source could move this maximum above the limit. Please either correct the model so that total steel volume is preserved (e.g., quadruple the per-bar volume), or demonstrate magnetic equivalence of the reduced mesh, and provide a sensitivity scan over the wall steel volume/geometry.
  2. [Section 3, TT bridge simplification] The paper says the complicated TT bridge is compressed into three rectangular prisms preserving total weight and that this gives an 'up-limit simplification' (Introduction; Section 3). No argument or test is provided for why this geometry is an upper limit on the perturbing field. Since the TT bridge contributes up to 17% for Veto-PMTs in Figure 12—close to the 20% limit—the unsupported upper-limit claim is load-bearing. Please justify it or provide a conservative bounding geometry and a sensitivity study.
  3. [Section 3, first paragraph] The actual wall has two cylindrical rebar layers of 43.7 m and 44.7 m diameter, each with vertical and horizontal rebars of different diameters (32 mm and 28 mm). The simulation description mentions 'a bird cage of 45 m in diameter and 44 m in height' without specifying whether both layers and both rod diameters are retained. Please clarify the exact simulated wall geometry; if the two layers were merged, the statement in the previous comment is even more concerning.
minor comments (4)
  1. [Section 3, near Figure 11] Typo: 'Vedo-PMTs' should be 'Veto-PMTs'.
  2. [Introduction and Section 3] 'up-limit' should be 'upper limit'; the phrase 'We give an up-limit simplification' is unclear.
  3. [References] Ref. [7] is only a URL; please give the full report identifier (No. GJcc2018-0967) and a permanent citation.
  4. [Figures 11-13] The captions say 'The center of the solid blue circles corresponds to the main axis of the coils.' Please define this axis explicitly in the caption or text, since the orientation is important for interpreting the maxima.

Circularity Check

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Simulation outputs are genuine forward magnetostatics results; no fitted parameter or self-citation carries the conclusion.

full rationale

The paper's central claim — that residual fields at CD/Veto PMTs remain below 10%/20% of the geomagnetic field after adding rebars and TT bridge steel — is a forward simulation result. The inputs are: (a) the geometry and weights of the steel structures, (b) an independently measured HRB400 B-H curve (NIM report, Ref. [7]), (c) the coil configuration from the authors' earlier work (Ref. [6]), and (d) the geomagnetic field at the JUNO site. None of these inputs contains the output maxima (7.6–9% CD, 16–18% Veto). The 10%/20% acceptance limits are externally defined JUNO requirements, and the PDE-vs-field curves in Figure 2 are measured PMT characterizations, not fitted quantities. The only self-citations are Ref. [6] for the coil geometry and JUNO PMT papers for context; neither supplies the steel-induced perturbation. The wall-rebar mesh reduction (Section 3) is an approximation that halves the total wall steel volume and biases toward smaller perturbation; this is a genuine modeling/correctness risk (especially since the near-wall Veto maximum sits at 18% vs the 20% limit), but it is not circular: the simulation is not calibrated to reproduce the reported maxima, and no derived quantity is used as an input. Therefore no circular step can be exhibited per the hard rules.

Assumptions & free parameters 3 free parameters · 5 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central simulation rests on the measured B-H curve of HRB400 steel, the stated assumption that stainless steel parts do not contribute magnetically, a fixed geomagnetic field direction at the JUNO site, and two geometry simplifications (the TT bridge compression and the wall rebar mesh reduction) whose bias direction is not established. No parameters are fitted to the reported residual-field maxima; they are outputs. The list above counts the model inputs and the ad hoc choices that control the result.

free parameters (3)
  • wall rebar count and volume compensation = 1/4 of real rebar count; per-rebar volume x2 (total wall steel volume 1/2 of actual)
    Ad hoc reduction for simulation cost. The text calls it compensation, but doubling volume while cutting the count to 1/4 halves the total wall steel, which could bias the near-wall residual field (18% maximum) low.
  • TT bridge compression geometry = 3 prisms: 1.75 m x 47 m x 0.09 m (main trusses) and 22 m x 47 m x 0.03 m (central part)
    The real bridge (components totaling ~284 tons) is compressed to three prisms preserving total weight; asserted to be an upper-limit simplification without proof.
  • field sampling density = 20,000 points per PMT surface
    Sampling resolution controls the reported maxima (7.6-18%); true maxima between sample points could be higher, and no convergence study is reported.
assumptions (5)
  • domain assumption HRB400 B-H curve (NIM report GJcc2018-0967) describes the magnetization of all rebars and the TT bridge steel
    One measured curve is applied to all steel parts; hysteresis, batch variation, and the +-1% (2 sigma) measurement uncertainty are not propagated. Invoked in Section 3 with reference [7].
  • domain assumption Stainless steel support legs and sphere structure do not contribute magnetically
    Figure 1 caption states the supporting legs and sphere are stainless steel and 'thus not contribute magnetically'; if any of those parts are magnetically permeable, the residual field would differ.
  • domain assumption Magnetostatic approximation with steady coil currents
    The Radia code solves 3D magnetostatics (Section 3); no time dependence, eddy currents, or magnetization history of the steel is modeled.
  • domain assumption Geomagnetic field direction at the JUNO site is fixed perpendicular to the y-axis
    The frame in Section 2 fixes the geomagnetic field direction; the real field direction varies with time, which changes how steel magnetizes relative to the coils.
  • ad hoc to paper The TT bridge compression into three prisms gives an upper limit on the bridge's field perturbation
    Stated in Section 1 ('one needs to simplify it for a calculation. We give an up-limit simplification') and Section 3, but no comparison or argument shows the compressed shape bounds the true field from above.

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Pith. "Pith review of Effect of construction steels on PMTs detection efficiency at JUNO." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/HHW46Y6D

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We study the impact of the carbon steel rebars and the steel TT bridge within the JUNO structure on the shielding effect of the coils. Our simulations demonstrate that despite the presence of carbon steel structures of the rebars of the water pool and the TT bridge within the central detector vicinity, the residual magnetic field experienced by the PMTs remains within the acceptable limit established by the JUNO experiment of 10% for CD-PMTs and 20% for Veto-PMTs, compared to the geomagnetic field. The maximum magnetic fields experienced by the CD-PMTs and Veto-PMTs are 9% and 18% of the geomagnetic field strength, respectively. These findings indicate that the residual magnetic field has minimal impacts on the PMTs detection efficiency.

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Figure 1. Layout of the JUNO experiment. The simulated ferromagnetic steel com [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Averaged PDE versus magnetic field strength, tested with 9 HPK and 15 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Side view of the compensation coils, with the locations of the evaluated [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: (Left) Top-down view of the bottom rebars, showing the mesh structure [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p004_4.png]
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Figure 5. Figure 5: (Left) Dimension of the vertical rebars of the two layers. (Right) Dimension [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_5.png]
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Figure 6. Figure 6: The JUNO’s main support structure for the TT-bridge and its weight. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_6.png]
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Figure 7. Figure 7: B-H curve of HRB 400 carbon steel rebar across the range measured by [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_7.png]
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Figure 8. Figure 8: The dimension of the main support structure of the TT bridge for simula [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_8.png]
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Figure 9. Figure 9: Comparison of the residual magnetic field strength at the locations of CD [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_9.png]
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Figure 10. Figure 10: Comparison of the residual magnetic field strength at the locations of CD [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_10.png]
Figure 11
Figure 11. Figure 11: Plots show the residual magnetic field strength relative to the geomag [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_11.png]
Figure 12
Figure 12. Figure 12: The residual magnetic field strength relative to the geomagnetic field [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_12.png]
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Figure 13. Figure 13: The residual magnetic field strength relative to the geomagnetic field [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_13.png]

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