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arxiv: 2512.14678 · v2 · pith:3Z63M5B7new · submitted 2025-12-16 · ⚛️ physics.flu-dyn · math.DS

P-Bifurcations in Stochastic Flutter Model Under Turbulence

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Persistent homology on kernel density estimates of stationary distributions detects shifts in stochastic P-bifurcations for aeroelastic flutter under turbulence that time-domain methods overlook.

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The paper develops a framework to identify P-bifurcations in a stochastic two-degree-of-freedom aeroelastic system by reconstructing stationary probability distributions with kernel density estimation and analyzing them with persistent homology. It applies this to compare sinusoidal perturbations, Dryden turbulence, and von Karman turbulence. Conventional time-domain and phase-space methods show only modest differences between these excitations, but the homological plots reveal consistent changes in bifurcation onset and topological features. This approach is useful because stochastic flutter requires describing behavior via probability distributions rather than deterministic trajectories, allowing better understanding of instability under realistic turbulent conditions.

Core claim

The authors present a topology-based framework to detect stochastic P-bifurcations by operating on high-dimensional stationary distributions reconstructed via kernel density estimation and characterizing their structure using persistent homology, which detects shifts in bifurcation onset and topological structure across sinusoidal, Dryden, and von Karman turbulence models in a two-degree-of-freedom aeroelastic system with structural nonlinearity.

What carries the argument

Homological bifurcation plots generated by applying persistent homology to kernel density estimates of stationary probability distributions to track topological changes with varying parameters.

If this is right

  • The homological method identifies differences in bifurcation onset and topological structure between turbulence models that remain hidden in time-domain and phase-space analyses.
  • The framework supports automated detection of stochastic bifurcations without relying on trajectory-based attractors.
  • Consistent shifts appear in the homological plots for each excitation type as system parameters change.
  • The approach scales to complex dynamical systems by working directly on high-dimensional probability distributions.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Extending the method to experimental data from wind-tunnel tests could validate its use for real-world flutter prediction in turbulent flows.
  • The same homological tracking might apply to other fluid-structure systems where probability distributions govern long-term stability.
  • Reducing the cost of persistent homology computations would open the way to near-real-time monitoring of stochastic instabilities.

Load-bearing premise

The topological features extracted by persistent homology from the reconstructed distributions correspond directly to the physically meaningful P-bifurcations of the underlying stochastic process.

What would settle it

Longer simulations or alternative density estimation techniques that produce homological plots with no consistent shifts in bifurcation onset between the turbulence models, while conventional time-domain metrics also fail to differentiate them.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2512.14678 by Firas A. Khasawneh, Sunia Tanweer.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: 2-DOF aerofoil model with pitch and plunge motion. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: Stochastic gust excitation models considered in this study: sinusoidal, Dryden, and Von Karman. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_2.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: Schematic overview of the homological bifurcation analysis framework. Monte Carlo simulations [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: Representative time-series of pitch α(t) and plunge ϵ(t) with their velocities, at subcritical, near￾critical, and supercritical flow speeds for the sinusoidal, Dryden, and Von Karman excitation models. 8 [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Representative phase-space projections ( [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_5.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: Homological bifurcation plots for the sinusoidal, Dryden, and Von Karman models. The x-axis [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p011_6.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 7. Figure 7: Illustration of superlevel-set persistence for an annular probability density. Panels (a–d) show the [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p015_7.png] view at source ↗
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Aeroelastic flutter represents a critical nonlinear instability arising from the coupling between structural elasticity and unsteady aerodynamics. In deterministic settings, flutter onset is associated with bifurcations of invariant sets such as equilibria or limit cycles. However, under stochastic excitation, long-time system behavior is better described in terms of stationary probability distributions rather than trajectory-based attractors. In this work, we present a topology-based framework to detect stochastic (P-)bifurcations in a two-degree-of-freedom aeroelastic system with structural nonlinearity. The method operates on high-dimensional stationary distributions reconstructed via kernel density estimation (KDE) and characterizes their structure using persistent homology. We compare bifurcation behavior across three excitation models: sinusoidal perturbations, Dryden turbulence, and von Karman turbulence. While conventional time-domain and phase-space analyses reveal only modest differences between these models, the proposed homological bifurcation plots detect consistent shifts in bifurcation onset and topological structure. The approach enables automated and scalable analysis of stochastic bifurcations in complex dynamical systems.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript proposes a topology-based framework for detecting stochastic P-bifurcations in a two-degree-of-freedom aeroelastic flutter model under stochastic excitation. Stationary probability distributions are reconstructed via kernel density estimation from finite-length simulations and then analyzed with persistent homology to produce homological bifurcation plots. The central claim is that this approach identifies consistent shifts in bifurcation onset and topological structure across sinusoidal, Dryden, and von Karman turbulence excitations, whereas conventional time-domain and phase-space analyses show only modest differences.

Significance. If the detected topological changes can be shown to correspond reliably to physical P-bifurcations rather than numerical artifacts, the method would provide a scalable, automated tool for characterizing stochastic instabilities in high-dimensional aeroelastic systems. The explicit comparison of three distinct excitation models is a strength, as is the attempt to move beyond trajectory-based diagnostics. However, the current lack of convergence diagnostics and quantitative validation limits the strength of the evidence for the claimed superiority over conventional methods.

major comments (2)
  1. [Results] The central claim that homological bifurcation plots detect consistent shifts (stated in the abstract and illustrated in the results) rests on KDE reconstructions whose accuracy is not quantified; no convergence diagnostics, total-variation distances between successive KDEs, or comparisons against Fokker-Planck numerics are reported, leaving open the possibility that observed homology changes reflect sampling artifacts rather than genuine P-bifurcations.
  2. [Method] In the 4-dimensional phase space of the two-DOF system, the manuscript provides no details on simulation length, mixing time, or sensitivity of the persistent-homology diagrams to KDE bandwidth and homology parameters; these omissions are load-bearing because the weakest assumption is precisely that finite-trajectory KDEs faithfully recover the invariant measure.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Clarify whether the 4D distributions are considered 'high-dimensional' in the abstract and introduction, as this terminology may be misleading for readers familiar with higher-dimensional applications of persistent homology.
  2. Figure captions and axis labels in the homological plots would benefit from explicit indication of the homology dimension and filtration parameter values used.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their thorough review and valuable suggestions. We respond to each major comment in detail below, indicating the changes we will make to the manuscript to address the concerns raised.

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  1. Referee: [Results] The central claim that homological bifurcation plots detect consistent shifts (stated in the abstract and illustrated in the results) rests on KDE reconstructions whose accuracy is not quantified; no convergence diagnostics, total-variation distances between successive KDEs, or comparisons against Fokker-Planck numerics are reported, leaving open the possibility that observed homology changes reflect sampling artifacts rather than genuine P-bifurcations.

    Authors: The referee correctly identifies a gap in our presentation. Although the simulations were performed with long trajectories to approximate the stationary distribution, we did not report quantitative convergence measures. In the revised version, we will add plots of total variation distance between KDEs from successive data segments and from independent realizations to demonstrate convergence. Direct comparison with Fokker-Planck solutions is not feasible in four dimensions without specialized high-performance computing resources, but the agreement of topological features across different excitation types provides indirect validation. These additions will be included to bolster the results section. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Method] In the 4-dimensional phase space of the two-DOF system, the manuscript provides no details on simulation length, mixing time, or sensitivity of the persistent-homology diagrams to KDE bandwidth and homology parameters; these omissions are load-bearing because the weakest assumption is precisely that finite-trajectory KDEs faithfully recover the invariant measure.

    Authors: We accept this criticism and will rectify the omission. The revised manuscript will specify that each stationary distribution was estimated from trajectories of 5 million time steps, with the first 500,000 steps discarded to account for mixing. Additionally, we will present results from a parameter sensitivity analysis, varying the KDE bandwidth and the persistence threshold, to show that the detected P-bifurcation points and changes in homology are stable within reasonable ranges of these parameters. This will directly address the concern about recovering the invariant measure. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; derivation is self-contained

full rationale

The paper's central method reconstructs stationary distributions from finite stochastic simulations via standard KDE and then applies persistent homology to detect topological changes indicative of P-bifurcations. This chain relies on external, well-established numerical and topological tools (KDE bandwidth selection and persistent homology libraries) rather than any author-defined fits, self-citations, or ansatzes that reduce the reported bifurcation onsets to quantities defined by construction within the present work. No equations or steps in the provided derivation equate the homological signatures to prior fitted parameters or rename known results; the comparison across excitation models is performed directly on the simulated data. The approach is therefore independent of the authors' own earlier results and qualifies as a non-circular, data-driven analysis.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

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The framework rests on standard assumptions from stochastic dynamics and topological data analysis; no new entities are postulated.

axioms (2)
  • domain assumption Kernel density estimation with appropriate bandwidth yields a faithful approximation of the true stationary distribution for the simulated trajectories.
    Invoked implicitly when the method operates on KDE-reconstructed distributions to characterize bifurcations.
  • domain assumption Persistent homology features of the probability density capture the topological changes that define P-bifurcations.
    Central to the claim that homological bifurcation plots detect shifts in onset and structure.

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