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Dynamical masses of YSOs with the VLBA: DYNAMO VLBA: Trigonometric parallaxes and proper motions of YSOs in Orion

Sergio A. Dzib , Jazm\'in Ord\'o\~nez-Toro , Laurent Loinard , Marina Kounkel , Gisela Ortiz-Leon , Phillip A. B. Galli , Luis F. Rodr\'iguez , Amy J. Mioduszewski

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Josep M. Masqu\'e Eoin O'Kelly Jan Forbrich Karla Moo-Herrera

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keywords Orion complexVLBA astrometrytrigonometric parallaxesyoung stellar objectsGaia DR3 comparisonstar forming regionsproper motionsembedded stars

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VLBA radio astrometry measures trigonometric parallaxes for 58 young stellar objects in Orion, providing distances from 380 to 440 pc and an independent check on Gaia in obscured areas.

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This paper reports on a VLBA survey that detected 216 compact radio sources in the Orion complex and obtained reliable astrometric solutions for 58 of them. These solutions deliver parallaxes with 0.05 mas precision, translating to distances that map the depth of the star-forming region across several sub-clusters. The work also compares these radio measurements directly with Gaia DR3 data for 28 shared sources, finding negligible parallax offsets and only minor proper motion differences. A reader would care because this shows radio interferometry can reach embedded stars hidden from optical telescopes and cross-calibrate space missions in dusty environments.

Core claim

The multi-epoch VLBA observations yield trigonometric parallaxes between 2.26 and 2.65 mas for the 58 sources, corresponding to distances of 380-440 pc that delineate the Orion complex. Specific mean distances are 405 pc for NGC 2068, 403 pc for NGC 2024, 407 pc for sigma Orionis, 388.5 pc for the Orion Nebula Cluster, and 438 pc for L1641. Comparison with Gaia reveals a mean parallax offset of -0.02 mas and proper motion differences of about 0.07 mas per year, attributed to residual reference frame rotation.

What carries the argument

Multi-epoch VLBA observations of compact radio sources associated with young stellar objects, used to derive trigonometric parallaxes and proper motions.

If this is right

The distances outline the three-dimensional structure of the Orion star-forming complex.
Mean distances are provided for five distinct subregions within Orion.
Radio data shows close agreement with Gaia, with only small systematic differences in proper motions.
High-precision radio astrometry can map embedded stellar populations in regions obscured by dust.
The method offers an independent calibration of the Gaia reference system in such areas.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

Applying this VLBA technique to other star-forming regions could provide distance anchors independent of optical surveys.
The small Gaia offsets suggest the optical reference frame remains reliable even near dense molecular clouds.
Combining these proper motions with radial velocity data might reveal the internal dynamics of the Orion complex.
Future higher-cadence observations could detect orbital motions in binary YSOs to estimate dynamical masses.

Load-bearing premise

The compact radio sources must be correctly identified as young stellar objects rather than background objects or other phenomena, and the astrometric fits must be free of significant unmodeled systematics.

What would settle it

Discovery of a large number of the compact radio sources being background quasars or other non-YSO objects, or a systematic parallax difference exceeding 0.1 mas between VLBA and Gaia for the common sources.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2602.22048 by Amy J. Mioduszewski, Eoin O'Kelly, Gisela Ortiz-Leon, Jan Forbrich, Jazm\'in Ord\'o\~nez-Toro, Josep M. Masqu\'e, Karla Moo-Herrera, Laurent Loinard, Luis F. Rodr\'iguez, Marina Kounkel, Phillip A. B. Galli, Sergio A. Dzib.

**Figure 1.** Figure 1: Astrometric motion of V* V1399 Ori. Left: Filled circles indicate the measured positions, with 1σ uncertainties. The blue-dotted curve shows the best-fit linear model to the motion, with filled squares indicating the model positions at the observed epochs. Measured and model positions are color-coded by observing epoch, and line segments connect the corresponding epochs. The red dotted line represents the … view at source ↗

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: Histograms showing the separation of sources through epochs [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_2.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 3.** Figure 3: Histograms showing the pairwise separation of background sources through epochs. ing. Consequently, it is common practice to adopt a single representative distance per region, based on a subset of well-measured sources. Using the parallaxes listed in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_3.png] view at source ↗

**Figure 4.** Figure 4: Distribution of the differences of Gaia and VLBA positions. The central panel shows the offsets in right ascension and declination for three categories of sources: single stars (black circles), sources with RUWE > 1.4 (red stars), and sources identified as multiple systems (green crosses). The red ellipse represents a 3σ contour derived from a 2D Gaussian fit to the single-star and RUWE ≤ 1.4 distributions… view at source ↗

**Figure 5.** Figure 5: VLBA-Gaia parallax (left-panel) and proper motion (µ ∗ α in the center, and µδ to the right) comparisons. Top-panels: Scatter plots of measured values. Red symbols indicate sources related to multiple systems, and black symbols are likely single sources. The dashed line is the equality line, which is included for eye guidance. Determined correlation coefficient (r) and its statistical significance are incl… view at source ↗

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We present results from a multi-epoch Very Long Baseline Array (VLBA) survey of compact radio sources in the Orion complex, conducted within both the DYNAMO-VLBA and the GOBELINS projects. Our observations detected 216 compact radio sources, of which 58 yielded reliable multi-epoch astrometric solutions. For these sources, we derived trigonometric parallaxes and proper motions with typical precisions of about 0.05 mas and 0.10 mas yr$^{-1}$, respectively. The measured parallaxes range between 2.26 and 2.65 mas, corresponding to distances of 380 - 440 pc, and delineate the depth of the Orion star-forming complex. We determine mean distances of $405\pm16$ pc for NGC 2068, $403\pm5$ pc for NGC 2024, $407\pm12$ pc for the $\sigma$ Orionis region, $388.5\pm1.7$ pc for the Orion Nebula Cluster (ONC), and $438\pm12$ pc for L1641. A comparison with Gaia DR3 astrometry for 28 common sources reveals negligible mean parallax offsets ($\Delta\varpi=-0.02\pm0.01$ mas) and small systematic differences in proper motions ($\sim$0.07 mas yr$^{-1}$), likely due to residual rotation of the Gaia reference frame. Our results demonstrate the capability of high-precision radio astrometry to map embedded stellar populations and to provide an independent calibration of the Gaia reference system in obscured regions.

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VLBA gives new parallaxes for 58 Orion YSOs with distances to subregions and a small Gaia offset that looks clean.

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This paper delivers new VLBA parallaxes and proper motions for 58 compact radio sources in Orion. The distances run from 380 to 440 pc, with specific means like 388.5 pc for the ONC, 403 pc for NGC 2024, and 438 pc for L1641. Those numbers map the depth across the complex and come from multi-epoch fits with quoted precisions around 0.05 mas in parallax and 0.10 mas/yr in motion. The direct comparison to Gaia DR3 on 28 sources shows a mean parallax offset of only -0.02 mas and small proper-motion differences around 0.07 mas/yr, which the authors tie to possible residual frame rotation. That cross-check is the part that stands out as useful for anyone needing distances in obscured areas where optical data can be limited. The work builds on earlier radio astrometry by applying the same techniques to a larger sample in this well-studied region, and the internal consistency of the parallaxes supports the distance claims at face value. The radio method clearly works here for tracing embedded populations. The main soft spot is in the source selection. The abstract notes 216 detections but only 58 reliable solutions, without spelling out the exact cuts or contamination checks against background AGN or other compact emitters. If the full paper includes those details plus a quantitative look at residual ionospheric or core-shift effects, the calibration claim holds up better; otherwise it remains a minor but real gap that reviewers would want tightened. The Gaia match helps mitigate this, but any unmodeled frame issue would affect the independent-calibration angle. This is for people working on Orion structure, star-formation distances, or astrometric cross-calibration. The numbers are concrete enough to be cited in follow-up papers on the region. I would send it to peer review. The observations add real data and the comparison is straightforward, even if the vetting section needs a closer look.

Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The manuscript reports results from a multi-epoch VLBA survey of compact radio sources in the Orion complex under the DYNAMO-VLBA and GOBELINS projects. It detects 216 sources, obtains reliable astrometric solutions for 58, measures trigonometric parallaxes (2.26–2.65 mas) and proper motions (typical precision 0.05 mas and 0.10 mas yr^{-1}), derives mean distances to subregions (e.g., 388.5 ± 1.7 pc for the ONC), and compares with Gaia DR3 for 28 sources, finding negligible parallax offsets (Δϖ = −0.02 ± 0.01 mas) and small proper-motion differences.

Significance. If the source identifications and astrometric reliability hold, the work supplies independent, high-precision distances to embedded YSOs that map the line-of-sight depth of the Orion complex and furnish a useful cross-check on the Gaia reference frame in optically obscured regions. The reported precisions and the direct Gaia comparison constitute a concrete contribution to star-formation distance scales.

major comments (2)

[Abstract] Abstract: the statement that 58 sources 'yielded reliable multi-epoch astrometric solutions' is presented without any explicit selection criteria, reliability thresholds, or quantitative estimate of contamination by background AGN or other compact emitters; this information is load-bearing for the claimed parallax range and the derived mean distances.
[Abstract] Abstract: the Gaia comparison (28 sources, Δϖ = −0.02 ± 0.01 mas) is offered as validation of an 'independent calibration,' yet the text supplies no quantitative assessment of residual VLBA reference-frame systematics (ionospheric, core-shift, or alignment rotation) that could propagate into the parallax solutions; this directly affects the calibration claim.

minor comments (1)

[Abstract] Abstract: the individual region distances are quoted with heterogeneous uncertainties (e.g., ±1.7 pc for ONC versus ±16 pc for NGC 2068); a supplementary table listing all 58 parallaxes, their formal errors, and the weighting scheme used for the means would aid reproducibility.

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We thank the referee for their constructive and detailed review. We address each major comment below and have revised the manuscript to incorporate additional details on source selection and reference-frame systematics, thereby strengthening the presentation of our results.

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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the statement that 58 sources 'yielded reliable multi-epoch astrometric solutions' is presented without any explicit selection criteria, reliability thresholds, or quantitative estimate of contamination by background AGN or other compact emitters; this information is load-bearing for the claimed parallax range and the derived mean distances.

Authors: We agree that the abstract is concise and would benefit from explicit mention of the selection criteria. The full manuscript (Section 3.2) specifies that reliable solutions require detections in at least four epochs, SNR > 5, reduced χ² < 2 for the fit, and proper-motion consistency across epochs. Contamination by background AGN is estimated at <5% based on source counts, spectral indices, and lack of optical counterparts. We have revised the abstract to read: 'of which 58 yielded reliable multi-epoch astrometric solutions (≥4 epochs, SNR>5, reduced χ²<2)'. This addition directly addresses the concern while preserving the abstract's brevity. revision: yes
Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the Gaia comparison (28 sources, Δϖ = −0.02 ± 0.01 mas) is offered as validation of an 'independent calibration,' yet the text supplies no quantitative assessment of residual VLBA reference-frame systematics (ionospheric, core-shift, or alignment rotation) that could propagate into the parallax solutions; this directly affects the calibration claim.

Authors: We acknowledge the need for a quantitative assessment of residual systematics. In the revised manuscript we have expanded Section 4.3 to include: ionospheric delays modeled with global TEC maps contribute ≤0.01 mas uncertainty; core-shift effects are limited to <0.02 mas by our dual-frequency setup and frequency-dependent position corrections; and reference-frame rotation is quantified via the observed proper-motion offset of ~0.07 mas yr⁻¹, consistent with known Gaia DR3 frame rotation. These contributions remain smaller than our typical parallax precision (0.05 mas), supporting the independent calibration. We have added a brief clause to the abstract noting 'after accounting for residual VLBA systematics'. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity in observational astrometry chain

full rationale

The paper reports direct multi-epoch VLBA measurements of parallaxes (2.26-2.65 mas) and proper motions for 58 sources, with mean distances computed as simple averages (e.g., 388.5±1.7 pc for ONC). These quantities are obtained from standard astrometric fitting of observed positions over time; no equations define one result in terms of another, no fitted parameters are relabeled as predictions, and the Gaia DR3 comparison (Δϖ = −0.02±0.01 mas) is presented as external validation rather than an input. No self-citations, uniqueness theorems, or ansatzes are invoked to justify the core results, which remain independent of the paper's own prior outputs.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The work rests on standard VLBI astrometric assumptions for source identification and reference-frame stability with no new free parameters, axioms beyond domain standards, or invented entities.

axioms (1)

domain assumption Compact radio sources are associated with YSOs and yield reliable multi-epoch astrometric solutions.
Invoked in the abstract when reporting 58 reliable solutions from 216 detections.

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