arxiv: 2602.23763 · v2 · submitted 2026-02-27 · 💻 cs.CC

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On the Need for (Quantum) Memory with Short Outputs

Zihan Hao , Zikuan Huang , Qipeng Liu

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keywords time-space tradeoffsquery complexityshort outputsnested collisiontwo-oracle recordingspace separationquantum computation

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The pith

For problems with short outputs, optimal query complexity requires exponential working memory in both classical and quantum settings.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

This paper proves that certain computational problems where the final answer is short but internal calculations need lots of memory cannot reach their best performance unless the machine uses exponentially more space than the output size. The result holds for both ordinary computers and quantum computers. The authors create a new problem, nested collision finding, to show this gap. They use a new recording method with two oracles to link the short-output case back to known harder cases with long outputs.

Core claim

We establish the first separation between bounded and unbounded space for short-output problems in both classical and quantum query complexity. By introducing the nested collision finding problem, we show that optimal query complexity cannot be achieved without exponential memory, using a novel two-oracle recording technique that reduces the short-output time-space tradeoff to that of long-output problems.

What carries the argument

The two-oracle recording technique, where one oracle records the computation's long outputs under the other oracle, reducing the time-space tradeoff for short-output problems to long-output ones.

If this is right

Optimal solutions to the nested collision finding problem require exponential memory.
The separation between bounded and unbounded space holds for both classical and quantum computation.
The two-oracle recording technique applies to establishing tradeoffs in other short-output settings.
Query complexity lower bounds for short-output problems now follow from long-output results.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

Similar memory requirements may apply to other quantum search or collision problems with compact outputs.
This could affect the design of memory-efficient quantum algorithms for practical short-answer tasks.
Testing whether specific collision-based algorithms can be derandomized or compressed in space would check the result.
Connections to streaming computation where output is limited but state is large.

Load-bearing premise

The two-oracle recording technique correctly reduces the time-space tradeoff for short-output problems to that of long-output problems without introducing new gaps.

What would settle it

Finding a classical or quantum algorithm for nested collision finding that uses only polynomial memory relative to the output size while matching the optimal query complexity would disprove the separation.

read the original abstract

In this work, we establish the first separation between computation with bounded and unbounded space, for problems with short outputs (i.e., working memory can be exponentially larger than output size), both in the classical and the quantum setting. Towards that, we introduce a problem called nested collision finding, and show that optimal query complexity can not be achieved without exponential memory. Our result is based on a novel ``two-oracle recording'' technique, where one oracle ``records'' the computation's long outputs under the other oracle, effectively reducing the time-space trade-off for short-output problems to that of long-output problems. We believe this technique will be of independent interest for establishing time-space tradeoffs in other short-output settings.

Editorial analysis

A structured set of objections, weighed in public.

Desk editor's note, referee report, simulated authors' rebuttal, and a circularity audit. Tearing a paper down is the easy half of reading it; the pith above is the substance, this is the friction.

Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

Paper claims first short-output time-space separation via two-oracle recording, but the reduction needs close checking for overhead.

read the letter

Hi, the main takeaway is that this paper claims the first separation between bounded and unbounded space for short-output problems, both classically and in the quantum query model. They introduce nested collision finding and argue that optimal queries require exponential memory, using a two-oracle recording method that maps the short-output case onto known long-output tradeoffs by having one oracle record the other's long outputs. If the mapping works cleanly, the result would be useful for streaming and cryptographic settings where outputs stay small while internal state grows large. The technique itself is presented as new and potentially reusable for other short-output tradeoff proofs. What the paper does well is identify a concrete problem and reduction strategy that directly addresses an open gap; the reduction idea looks independent enough from prior long-output work to stand on its own if the details hold. The soft spots are in the verification. The abstract supplies no proof sketch, error analysis, or quantum-specific argument, so it is impossible to confirm whether the recording step preserves exact bounds without adding polynomial overhead or altering superposition and measurement behavior. The stress-test concern about unaccounted factors in the quantum case lands directly on the central claim until the full argument is checked. If the formal reduction avoids those gaps, the separation transfers; otherwise the optimality statement weakens. This is for researchers working on query complexity and memory tradeoffs who might want to adapt the recording method. A reader already familiar with long-output lower bounds would get the most out of it. The work deserves a serious referee because the claim, if substantiated, fills a real gap and supplies a reusable tool, even though the current write-up is high-level and will likely need revisions on the proof details. I would send it to peer review rather than desk reject.

Referee Report

2 major / 0 minor

Summary. The manuscript claims to establish the first separation between bounded and unbounded space for short-output problems (where working memory can be exponentially larger than output size), in both classical and quantum settings. It introduces the nested collision finding problem and proves that optimal query complexity cannot be achieved without exponential memory, via a novel two-oracle recording technique that reduces the time-space tradeoff for short-output problems to the long-output case.

Significance. If the two-oracle recording technique is shown to be correct and overhead-free, the result would meaningfully extend prior time-space tradeoff lower bounds into the short-output regime, which is more representative of many natural problems. The technique is positioned as potentially reusable for other short-output settings.

major comments (2)

[Two-oracle recording technique] Two-oracle recording technique: the central reduction from the short-output nested collision finding problem to long-output tradeoffs must be shown to preserve exact query lower bounds without polynomial overhead or relaxation of the exponential-memory requirement. In the quantum case this includes preserving superposition and measurement effects; any gap introduced here would prevent the claimed separation from transferring.
[Abstract] Abstract and central claim: the abstract states the result and technique but supplies no proof details, error analysis, or verification, leaving the load-bearing correctness of the reduction unassessable from the provided text.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their thoughtful review and valuable feedback on our manuscript. We address each major comment below and plan to incorporate revisions to strengthen the presentation of our results.

read point-by-point responses

Referee: [Two-oracle recording technique] Two-oracle recording technique: the central reduction from the short-output nested collision finding problem to long-output tradeoffs must be shown to preserve exact query lower bounds without polynomial overhead or relaxation of the exponential-memory requirement. In the quantum case this includes preserving superposition and measurement effects; any gap introduced here would prevent the claimed separation from transferring.

Authors: We agree that a rigorous demonstration of the reduction's properties is essential for the result's validity. The manuscript's full text details the two-oracle recording technique in depth, establishing that it preserves exact query lower bounds with no polynomial overhead and without relaxing the exponential-memory requirement. In the quantum case, the technique is designed to operate within the superposition framework, ensuring that measurement effects and quantum states are preserved through the recording process. We will enhance the exposition by adding an explicit error analysis and verification subsection to address any potential concerns about gaps in the reduction. revision: yes
Referee: [Abstract] Abstract and central claim: the abstract states the result and technique but supplies no proof details, error analysis, or verification, leaving the load-bearing correctness of the reduction unassessable from the provided text.

Authors: While abstracts are typically high-level summaries without full proof details, we recognize the referee's point that the central claim's supporting elements should be more clearly signposted. The detailed proof, error analysis, and verification are contained in the main body of the manuscript. In revision, we will update the abstract to briefly note that the two-oracle technique provides an overhead-free reduction, thereby making the load-bearing aspects more evident even at the abstract level. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No circularity: novel reduction technique is independent of target result

full rationale

The paper introduces nested collision finding and a two-oracle recording technique to reduce short-output time-space tradeoffs to known long-output cases. No equation or claim in the provided abstract or description reduces the final separation result to a fitted parameter, self-definition, or self-citation chain. The reduction is presented as a new construction whose validity is asserted separately from the long-output bounds it invokes; no step equates the short-output separation to its own inputs by construction. This is the common case of an independent technical contribution.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 2 invented entities

The central claim rests on the validity of the newly introduced two-oracle recording technique and the assumption that known long-output tradeoffs transfer directly; no numerical free parameters are mentioned.

axioms (1)

domain assumption Known time-space tradeoffs exist for long-output problems and can be reduced to via recording
The technique is described as reducing short-output cases to long-output ones whose tradeoffs are presupposed.

invented entities (2)

nested collision finding problem no independent evidence
purpose: Serve as a short-output problem requiring exponential memory for optimality
New problem defined to demonstrate the separation
two-oracle recording technique no independent evidence
purpose: Enable reduction of short-output tradeoffs to long-output ones
Novel method introduced in the paper

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