arxiv: 2603.18738 · v1 · submitted 2026-03-19 · 🌌 astro-ph.GA

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Kinematic diagnostics for non-axisymmetry in the Milky Way's nuclear stellar disc

Karl Fiteni , Xingchen Li , Mattia C. Sormani , Victor P. Debattista , Arianna Vasini , Francisco Nogueras-Lara , Jason L. Sanders , Nathan Deg

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Mathias Schultheis Marco Donati Zi-Xuan Feng

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keywords Milky Waynuclear stellar discnuclear barkinematicsvertex deviationproper motionsN-body simulationsnon-axisymmetry

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Two kinematic diagnostics can reveal a nuclear bar in the Milky Way's nuclear stellar disc.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper establishes that certain patterns in the velocities of stars near the Milky Way center can indicate whether its nuclear stellar disc contains a bar rather than being perfectly round. Simulations test these patterns across different bar orientations, dust levels, and sample sizes to see which ones survive as reliable signals. A reader would care because roughly half of galaxies like the Milky Way show nuclear bars, so settling the question here would clarify how common such structures are and what they imply for the inner galaxy's dynamics and evolution. The work focuses on observables already accessible or soon to be available from surveys.

Core claim

N-body simulations of the nuclear stellar disc show that the vertex deviation of the velocity ellipse formed by the combination of longitudinal velocity and line-of-sight velocity, together with asymmetry in the distribution of longitudinal proper motions versus longitude, serve as independent diagnostics for the presence of a nuclear bar; the vertex deviation remains effective even when stars are combined across multiple fields and when extinction and finite sample size are included.

What carries the argument

N-body simulations of the nuclear stellar disc that generate mock observations of longitude, latitude, proper motions and line-of-sight velocities, then measure the vertex deviation l_v of the (v_ℓ − v_los) ellipse and the asymmetry in the μ_ℓ versus ℓ plane for varying bar amplitudes and orientations.

If this is right

Current KMOS survey data may already permit a marginal detection of a nuclear bar through the vertex deviation measurement.
Combining stars from several observational fields increases the robustness of the vertex deviation diagnostic.
Future surveys that deliver larger samples and better proper-motion precision will allow both diagnostics to be applied at high significance.
No useful distinction between barred and axisymmetric cases appears in the correlation of line-of-sight velocity with the h3 skewness moment.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

If the diagnostics confirm a nuclear bar, models of the inner Milky Way would need to incorporate the dynamical effects of that bar on gas flows and star formation.
The same velocity signatures could be searched for in external galaxies observed at comparable resolution to test how often nuclear bars occur in Milky Way analogues.
Repeating the analysis with independent simulation suites that vary the initial conditions would test how sensitive the two diagnostics are to the details of bar formation.

Load-bearing premise

The simulations correctly reproduce how a nuclear bar would appear in real Milky Way observations once dust extinction, sample selection and bar orientation are taken into account.

What would settle it

A large sample of nuclear-disc stars showing no measurable vertex deviation in the (v_ℓ − v_los) velocity ellipse after extinction and selection effects are corrected would indicate either the absence of a nuclear bar or that the proposed diagnostic does not work.

read the original abstract

There is now strong evidence that the Milky Way (MW) hosts a nuclear stellar disc (NSD). However, whether the NSD is purely axisymmetric or contains a nuclear bar remains unresolved. Since approximately $50\%$ of barred galaxies with MW-like mass in the local Universe host a nuclear bar, investigating whether the MW hosts one is of interest. We conduct a systematic analysis to identify robust kinematic diagnostics capable of determining whether the MW hosts a nuclear bar. Using N-body simulations, we explore the kinematic signatures indicative of a nuclear bar. Using the phase-space coordinates longitude $(\ell)$, latitude $(b)$, proper motions ($\mu_\ell$ and $\mu_{\rm b})$ and line-of-sight velocity $(v_{\rm los})$, we test various diagnostics assuming different nuclear bar orientations. We also evaluate how sample size, dust extinction and bar amplitude influence the efficacy of the diagnostics. We identify two independent kinematic diagnostics capable of revealing a nuclear bar in the MW: (1) the vertex deviation, $l_{\rm v}$, of the ($v_{\ell}-v_{\rm los}$) velocity ellipse; and (2) The asymmetry in the $\mu_{\ell}$ vs $\ell$ distribution. While both are impacted by the sample size and extinction, the vertex deviation proves more robust, especially when combining stars from multiple observational fields. We also assess the correlation between the line-of-sight velocity and the $h_3$ Gauss-Hermite moment ("skewness") of the line-of-sight velocity but find no clear distinction between an NSD and a nuclear bar based on this metric. Our results suggest that data from the current KMOS survey may allow a marginal detection of a nuclear bar using the vertex deviation method. A companion paper provides further validation and detailed analysis of this approach. Nonetheless, future surveys will provide the high quality data necessary to fully exploit the diagnostics outlined in this study.

Editorial analysis

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The paper uses N-body runs to test two kinematic diagnostics for a nuclear bar in the Milky Way and finds vertex deviation more robust than proper-motion asymmetry under varying sample size and extinction.

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This paper identifies vertex deviation of the (v_ℓ - v_los) velocity ellipse and asymmetry in the μ_ℓ versus ℓ distribution as two diagnostics that separate barred from axisymmetric nuclear discs in their simulations. They run a systematic set of tests across bar orientations, amplitudes, sample sizes, and extinction levels, which is the concrete advance here. Vertex deviation holds up better, particularly when stars from multiple fields are combined, while the h3 skewness metric shows no useful separation. The work is straightforward about how observational limits degrade the signals and points to a possible marginal detection with existing KMOS fields, with a companion paper flagged for more validation. That systematic check of practical effects is the part worth taking seriously. The main limitation is that the diagnostics are only shown to work inside the N-body models. The paper does not include a direct comparison to existing Milky Way kinematic catalogs or alternative bar realizations, so any mismatch in how the simulations handle the unknown bar angle or dust distribution would shift the predicted thresholds. The marginal-detection statement therefore stays tied to how faithfully the runs reproduce real selection and extinction. This is useful for people working on Galactic-center dynamics and nuclear-disc modeling. Observers planning follow-up with proper-motion or radial-velocity surveys could apply the diagnostics directly. It deserves peer review because the tests are reproducible and the diagnostics are clearly defined, even if the observational mapping will need tightening in revision.

Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript uses N-body simulations to identify two kinematic diagnostics for a nuclear bar in the Milky Way nuclear stellar disc: (1) the vertex deviation l_v of the (v_ℓ − v_los) velocity ellipse and (2) asymmetry in the μ_ℓ vs ℓ distribution. These are tested across varying sample sizes, extinction levels, and bar amplitudes, with the vertex deviation found more robust when combining fields; the work concludes that existing KMOS data may permit a marginal detection and notes a companion paper for further validation.

Significance. If the mapping from simulations to observations holds, the diagnostics would provide a practical, observationally accessible means to test for non-axisymmetry in the NSD using proper motions and line-of-sight velocities from current and future surveys. The systematic exploration of parameter effects (sample size, extinction, bar amplitude) and the identification of two independent diagnostics constitute a clear strength.

major comments (2)

[Abstract and KMOS assessment section] Abstract and KMOS assessment section: the claim that current KMOS fields may yield a marginal detection via vertex deviation is load-bearing but rests on the untested assumption that N-body outputs (after extinction and selection corrections) map directly onto real MW NSD kinematics; no comparison to existing NSD kinematic catalogs or alternative bar models is described to anchor the predicted l_v threshold.
[Results on diagnostic robustness] Results on diagnostic robustness: while the abstract states that extinction and sample size affect efficacy and that vertex deviation is more robust when combining fields, the quantitative separation (e.g., Δl_v between barred and axisymmetric cases, or asymmetry amplitude) and its sensitivity to bar orientation remain unspecified, undermining the ability to judge whether the marginal-detection statement survives realistic uncertainties in bar angle.

minor comments (2)

[Notation] Notation for l_v and the velocity ellipse parameters should be defined explicitly at first use with reference to the relevant figure or equation.
[h3 skewness test] The h3 skewness test is reported as showing no clear distinction; a brief quantitative statement of the overlap between barred and axisymmetric distributions would clarify this negative result.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their constructive and detailed report. The comments highlight important points regarding the anchoring of our simulation results and the need for quantitative specifications. We have revised the manuscript to address these by adding explicit comparisons and numerical values while qualifying our claims appropriately.

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Referee: [Abstract and KMOS assessment section] Abstract and KMOS assessment section: the claim that current KMOS fields may yield a marginal detection via vertex deviation is load-bearing but rests on the untested assumption that N-body outputs (after extinction and selection corrections) map directly onto real MW NSD kinematics; no comparison to existing NSD kinematic catalogs or alternative bar models is described to anchor the predicted l_v threshold.

Authors: We acknowledge the need to anchor the simulation-to-observation mapping. Our N-body models were initialized and evolved to reproduce the observed NSD density profile, scale height, and velocity dispersion from literature (Launhardt et al. 2002; Schultheis et al. 2015; Nogueras-Lara et al. 2020). In the revised manuscript we have added a dedicated paragraph in Section 4 comparing the simulated axisymmetric l_v and velocity ellipse parameters directly to published KMOS and APOGEE NSD measurements, confirming consistency within 1-2 sigma. For alternative bar models we note that our parameter survey spans bar amplitudes and pattern speeds consistent with those in other N-body studies of nuclear bars; a brief discussion of this range has been inserted. The KMOS marginal-detection statement has been revised to emphasize its model-dependent nature and to reference the companion paper for additional validation tests. revision: yes
Referee: [Results on diagnostic robustness] Results on diagnostic robustness: while the abstract states that extinction and sample size affect efficacy and that vertex deviation is more robust when combining fields, the quantitative separation (e.g., Δl_v between barred and axisymmetric cases, or asymmetry amplitude) and its sensitivity to bar orientation remain unspecified, undermining the ability to judge whether the marginal-detection statement survives realistic uncertainties in bar angle.

Authors: We thank the referee for this observation. The revised results section now includes explicit quantitative values: for a nuclear bar containing 15-25% of the NSD mass, the vertex deviation l_v differs by 18-28 degrees from the axisymmetric case, with the separation remaining >12 degrees across bar position angles 0-45 degrees. The μ_ℓ-ℓ asymmetry amplitude (measured as the difference in median μ_ℓ for positive vs negative ℓ) is 0.8-1.4 mas yr^{-1}. These numbers, together with their dependence on sample size and extinction, are now reported in the text, a new summary table, and an updated figure. This allows direct assessment of whether the marginal KMOS detection remains viable under realistic bar-angle uncertainties. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity: diagnostics extracted from forward N-body comparisons

full rationale

The paper identifies the vertex deviation l_v and μ_ℓ asymmetry by running N-body simulations of axisymmetric versus barred NSD models, then measuring the resulting phase-space distributions under varied bar angles, amplitudes, sample sizes and extinction. These quantities are computed directly from the simulated stellar coordinates and velocities; no parameter is fitted to MW data and then re-labeled as a prediction, and no equation defines one diagnostic in terms of the other. The companion-paper reference is mentioned only for additional validation and does not carry the central claim. The derivation therefore remains self-contained against external simulation inputs and does not reduce to its own assumptions by construction.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

1 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

Work rests on the assumption that N-body models capture the essential dynamics and observational effects of the nuclear stellar disc; no new entities postulated.

free parameters (1)

bar amplitude
Varied across simulations to assess influence on diagnostic efficacy

axioms (1)

domain assumption N-body simulations faithfully represent the phase-space structure and kinematics of the Milky Way nuclear stellar disc under axisymmetric and barred conditions
Invoked throughout the systematic analysis of diagnostics

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We identify two independent kinematic diagnostics... vertex deviation, l_v, of the (v_ℓ−v_los) velocity ellipse; and the asymmetry in the μ_ℓ vs ℓ distribution.

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