Determination of the mass transport parameters in thin membranes by phase-sensitive photoacoustics in the optically transparent and mixed regimes
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Phase-sensitive photoacoustics determines mass transport parameters in thin membranes under optically transparent and mixed regimes.
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Core claim
The ability to quantify mass transport parameters in thin membranes via phase-sensitive photoacoustics holds in optically transparent and mixed regimes. The framework uses the Green's function approach as formalized by Mandelis. Heat distributions are assumed to follow the temporal mass concentration profiles predicted by a Fickian diffusion process because of the separation of photoacoustic and mass transport timescales. The approach is examined and validated with experimental data on pigment transport into a thin porous membrane.
What carries the argument
Green's function approach that models photoacoustic signals from absorption properties tied to Fickian mass concentration profiles over time.
If this is right
- Mass transport parameters can be extracted from phase data even when the membrane absorbs little probe light.
- The method extends reliably to semi-opaque conditions with partial absorption.
- Experimental results on pigment diffusion confirm that transport coefficients remain accessible in these optical regimes.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Pairing the optical signals with electrical circuit models could enable simultaneous tracking of multiple species without changing the core assumptions.
- The timescale separation may allow similar parameter extraction in other thin-layer diffusion systems if the optical conditions match the modeled cases.
Load-bearing premise
Heat distributions follow the instantaneous mass concentration profiles because photoacoustic processes occur much faster than mass transport.
What would settle it
If the measured phase-sensitive photoacoustic signals during pigment transport experiments deviate systematically from the curves predicted by the Fickian diffusion model, the link between heat and mass profiles would not hold.
read the original abstract
The research complements and extends the scope of the work reported in the article "LED-based multibeam photoacoustics combined with electrical circuit-based modeling for the analysis of multispecies mass transport through thin membranes" (arXiv:2602.20902). In particular, this work investigates the impact of the sample's absorption properties on the ability to quantify slow mass transport processes in thin membranes under optically transparent and semi-opaque conditions. The theoretical framework is based on the Green's function approach as formalized by Mandelis. Owing to the separation of photoacoustic and mass transport timescales, the heat distributions are assumed to follow the temporal mass concentration profiles predicted by a Fickian diffusion process. The approach is further examined and validated using experimental data on pigment transport into a thin porous membrane. Detailed experimental results are provided in the referenced paper.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The paper extends the author's prior work on LED-based multibeam photoacoustics for multispecies mass transport through thin membranes by examining how sample absorption properties affect quantification of slow transport processes under optically transparent and semi-opaque (mixed) conditions. It employs a Green's function framework (following Mandelis) under the assumption that photoacoustic and mass-transport timescales are separated, allowing heat distributions to follow instantaneous Fickian mass-concentration profiles; the approach is stated to be validated by experimental pigment-transport data into a thin porous membrane, with all detailed results referred to the prior preprint.
Significance. If the timescale-separation and Fickian assumptions prove robust, the work would usefully broaden phase-sensitive photoacoustics to a wider range of membrane optical regimes, supporting non-invasive extraction of mass-transport parameters. The reliance on an established Green's-function formalism is a strength, but the absence of standalone experimental data or independent tests of the core assumptions here reduces the immediate incremental impact.
major comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the statement that 'the approach is further examined and validated using experimental data' is undercut because all detailed results and parameter fits are deferred to the referenced prior paper (arXiv:2602.20902); the present manuscript therefore supplies no independent data or error analysis with which to assess the claimed validation.
- [Theoretical framework] Theoretical framework (Green's function + Fickian assumption): the load-bearing claim that heat distributions follow the instantaneous Fickian c(x,t) profiles rests on timescale separation, yet no quantitative bound on the separation (or sensitivity analysis for the pigment/porous-membrane case) is supplied; any violation would directly bias the predicted phase lag in the mixed regime.
minor comments (1)
- [Abstract] The citation to Mandelis' Green's-function formalism should include the specific reference(s) rather than the author's name alone.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the constructive comments. We address each major point below and indicate planned revisions to strengthen the manuscript.
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the statement that 'the approach is further examined and validated using experimental data' is undercut because all detailed results and parameter fits are deferred to the referenced prior paper (arXiv:2602.20902); the present manuscript therefore supplies no independent data or error analysis with which to assess the claimed validation.
Authors: We agree the abstract phrasing risks implying standalone validation. This manuscript develops the theoretical extension of phase-sensitive photoacoustics to transparent and mixed optical regimes via the Green's function formalism, while the full experimental validation (pigment transport into a porous membrane, parameter fits, and error analysis) is contained in the companion preprint arXiv:2602.20902. We will revise the abstract to state explicitly that validation details appear in the referenced work and that the present paper focuses on the impact of absorption properties under the timescale-separation assumption. revision: yes
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Referee: [Theoretical framework] Theoretical framework (Green's function + Fickian assumption): the load-bearing claim that heat distributions follow the instantaneous Fickian c(x,t) profiles rests on timescale separation, yet no quantitative bound on the separation (or sensitivity analysis for the pigment/porous-membrane case) is supplied; any violation would directly bias the predicted phase lag in the mixed regime.
Authors: The model relies on clear separation between fast photoacoustic generation (microsecond scale) and slow Fickian mass transport (minutes to hours for the pigment/porous-membrane system). We will add a quantitative estimate of the timescale ratio together with a brief sensitivity analysis showing that phase-lag predictions remain robust within the expected range of diffusion coefficients and membrane thicknesses for this experimental case. revision: yes
Circularity Check
Validation and core modeling reduce to self-cited prior paper by same author
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self citation load bearing
[Abstract]
"The approach is further examined and validated using experimental data on pigment transport into a thin porous membrane. Detailed experimental results are provided in the referenced paper."
The manuscript claims to examine and validate the photoacoustic method for extracting mass transport parameters, but explicitly defers the detailed experimental results and (per the reader's context) the core modeling to the author's prior arXiv:2602.20902. The present paper's central validation therefore reduces to that self-cited work by construction.
full rationale
The paper's theoretical framework invokes the Green's function solution with the explicit assumption that heat distributions follow instantaneous Fickian concentration profiles due to timescale separation. However, the abstract states that the approach is validated using experimental data whose detailed results are provided only in the referenced prior paper (arXiv:2602.20902) by the same author. This makes the load-bearing validation step and the parameter extraction claims dependent on the self-cited work rather than independently derived or tested within the present manuscript. The central claim of determining mass transport parameters therefore reduces to the earlier paper's data and model fits.
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axioms (2)
- domain assumption Heat distributions follow the temporal mass concentration profiles predicted by a Fickian diffusion process due to separation of photoacoustic and mass transport timescales.
- standard math Green's function approach as formalized by Mandelis applies to the photoacoustic signal generation in the membrane.
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Owing to the separation of photoacoustic and mass transport timescales, the heat distributions are assumed to follow the temporal mass concentration profiles predicted by a Fickian diffusion process.
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Introduction The work demonstrates the potential of the phase-sensitive photoacoustic technique for measuring the dynamics of pigment transport through thin membranes. As will be shown, investigating the evolution of the signal phase over a broad range of sample transmissivities enables direct and accurate determination of transport constants, even when r...
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PA signal generation for arbitrary pigment distributions in a sample. For the PA signal generation we summarize the Green’s function approach formalized in works of Mandelis, McGahan and Cole [2–4]. For the sample region under modulated light excitation 𝑒𝑗𝜔𝑡 the heat transport equation takes the form: 𝑑2Θ 𝑑𝑥2 − 𝜎𝑠 2 Θ = − 𝐻(𝑥) 𝑘𝑠 , (1) where 𝜎𝑠 2 = 𝑗𝜔/𝛼𝑠 ...
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Qualitatively the measurable phase difference exhibits an exponential form: 𝜙(𝑡0) − 𝜙eq ≡ Δ𝜙(𝑡0) = ∑ 𝐴𝑛 ∞ 𝑛=0 𝑒 −𝑡0 𝜏𝑛 (11) By considering a timescale such as 𝑡0 ≫ 𝜏1 the 𝑛 = 0 dominates and the temporal phase evolution can be approximated by: Δ𝜙(𝑡0) ≈ 𝐴𝑒−𝑡0/𝜏0 = 𝐴𝑒−𝜋2𝐷 4𝑙2 𝑡0 (12)
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Experimental validation and simulations For the validation we take the results presented in [6]. In particular, we consider a 1D model pigment (dithranol) transport from a solid Vaseline formulation (backing) into a thin l = 15µm dodecanol/collodion membrane sample (dodecanol represents a permeable phase). The data were collected for the PA sampling depth...
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The dual-frequency test In the case of the transient system at least two process affects the signal phase, the temporal pigment distribution and the optical saturation. From the Rosencwaig -Gersho model it is expected, that for the 𝛿(0) thermal excitations (optically opaque regime) the difference between signal phases recorded at two distinct modulation f...
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The combined signal-phase analysis The analysis presented so far has shown that the signal phase is highly sensitive to the position of the pigment “centre of mass” within the membrane, while varying only weakly for samples whose transmission spans a very broad range of values. On the other hand, the signal curvature encodes both the evolution of the pigm...
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Summary The aim of this study was to investigate the possibility of determining pigment diffusion parameters based on the analysis of phase evolution and the photoacoustic signal of a sample in response to mass sorption from a semi-infinite medium into a thin membrane. The theoretical approach relied on the Green's function formalism, assuming a pseudo -s...
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work page internal anchor Pith review doi:10.48550/arxiv.2602.20902 2026
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