Diagonal Ramsey numbers for wheels
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The pith
The diagonal Ramsey number R(W_n, W_n) satisfies 3n-2 to 6n-6 for even n at least 8 and 2n to (9n-7)/2 for odd n at least 7.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The authors prove that for even n ≥ 8 the Ramsey number R(W_n, W_n) lies between 3n-2 and 6n-6, established by exhibiting a 2-edge-coloring of K_{3n-3} with no monochromatic wheel and showing that every coloring of K_{6n-6} contains one. For odd n ≥ 7 the interval is 2n to (9n-7)/2. They further derive recursive upper bounds relating the k-color Ramsey number for W_n to the (k-1)-color number for a smaller wheel.
What carries the argument
The wheel graph W_n formed by adding a hub vertex joined to every vertex of a cycle on n-1 vertices; the Ramsey number R(G,G) is the smallest N such that every 2-coloring of K_N contains a monochromatic copy of G.
If this is right
- The two-color Ramsey number for wheels grows linearly with the number of vertices.
- The gap between lower and upper bounds is at most a small constant factor for large n.
- Recursive relations allow the k-color Ramsey numbers to be bounded using the two-color case for smaller wheels.
- The same style of construction and forcing argument extends from the two-color to the multi-color setting.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The linear upper bounds imply that wheels are among the sparser graphs whose Ramsey numbers do not grow exponentially.
- For concrete small n one could check whether the new lower-bound colorings are optimal by exhaustive search on the boundary sizes.
- The recursive multi-color bounds open a route to studying the asymptotic growth rate as the number of colors increases.
Load-bearing premise
The explicit colorings that avoid monochromatic wheels on the smaller complete graphs and the arguments that force a monochromatic wheel on the larger ones hold for all n in the stated parity and size ranges.
What would settle it
An explicit red-blue coloring of K_{6n-7} with no monochromatic W_n for some even n ≥ 8 would falsify the upper bound, or a coloring of K_{3n-3} containing a monochromatic W_n would falsify the lower bound.
read the original abstract
The Ramsey number $\mathrm{R}(G_1,G_2)$ is the smallest integer $N$ such that any red-blue coloring of the edges of the complete graph $K_N$ contains either a red copy of $G_1$ or a blue copy of $G_2$. In 2022, the third author and others gave lower and upper bounds of the Ramsey number $\mathrm{R}(W_n,W_n)$, where $W_n$ is the wheel graph with $n$ vertices. In this paper, we improve their bounds by showing that $3n-2\leq \mathrm{R}(W_n,W_n)\leq 6n-6$ for even $n\geq 8$ and $2n\leq \mathrm{R}(W_n,W_n)\leq \frac{9n-7}{2}$ for odd $n\geq 7$. Furthermore, we give recursive bounds for the $k$-colored Ramsey number for $W_n$.
Editorial analysis
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Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript improves known bounds on the diagonal Ramsey number R(W_n, W_n) for the wheel graph W_n on n vertices. It establishes the inequalities 3n-2 ≤ R(W_n, W_n) ≤ 6n-6 for all even n ≥ 8 and 2n ≤ R(W_n, W_n) ≤ (9n-7)/2 for all odd n ≥ 7, supported by explicit constructions for the lower bounds and direct or inductive arguments for the upper bounds. The paper also supplies recursive bounds for the k-colored Ramsey numbers R_k(W_n).
Significance. If the stated constructions and forcing arguments hold for the full ranges, the results tighten the 2022 bounds referenced in the abstract and add recursive multicolor estimates. Explicit lower-bound colorings of K_{3n-3} (even case) and K_{2n-1} (odd case) together with the upper-bound proofs would constitute a concrete advance in the study of Ramsey numbers for wheels.
major comments (1)
- Main theorems (even and odd cases): the universal statements require that the lower-bound colorings of K_{3n-3} and K_{2n-1} contain no monochromatic W_n for every n in the infinite families, and that every coloring of the larger complete graphs forces a monochromatic wheel. A single failure for any n ≥ 8 (even) or n ≥ 7 (odd) would falsify the claimed inequalities; the manuscript must therefore supply either a uniform general argument or explicit verification that covers all n without gaps.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading and for identifying the need to confirm that the claimed bounds hold uniformly over the infinite families. We address the major comment below.
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Referee: [—] Main theorems (even and odd cases): the universal statements require that the lower-bound colorings of K_{3n-3} and K_{2n-1} contain no monochromatic W_n for every n in the infinite families, and that every coloring of the larger complete graphs forces a monochromatic wheel. A single failure for any n ≥ 8 (even) or n ≥ 7 (odd) would falsify the claimed inequalities; the manuscript must therefore supply either a uniform general argument or explicit verification that covers all n without gaps.
Authors: We appreciate the referee drawing attention to this requirement. The lower-bound colorings are presented via explicit, uniform constructions that apply to every even n ≥ 8 (respectively every odd n ≥ 7). For even n the 3-partite coloring of K_{3n-3} is defined by fixing three sets of size n-1 and coloring intra-set edges red and inter-set edges according to a fixed cyclic pattern; the proof that this coloring is W_n-free proceeds by contradiction on the possible hub-and-rim structure and uses only the parity of n and the set sizes, which hold for the entire family. The odd-case construction on K_{2n-1} is likewise uniform and its W_n-freeness is established by a single counting argument that does not depend on the specific value of n beyond the stated range. The upper-bound arguments are either direct (for small n) or inductive on n, with the inductive step again relying only on the parity distinction and the numerical inequalities that are valid for all n in the families. We have inserted a short clarifying paragraph immediately after the statements of the main theorems to emphasize that both the constructions and the forcing arguments are uniform and contain no gaps. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity: bounds from explicit constructions and direct arguments
full rationale
The paper derives improved Ramsey bounds for wheels via explicit 2-colorings of K_{3n-3} and K_{2n-1} that avoid monochromatic W_n (lower bounds) together with direct or inductive arguments showing that larger complete graphs force a monochromatic wheel (upper bounds), plus recursive multicolor extensions. These steps are self-contained mathematical constructions and proofs that do not reduce to fitted parameters, self-definitions, or load-bearing self-citations. The reference to 2022 work by the third author merely contextualizes the improvement and is not invoked to justify the new results themselves. No equations or claims in the derivation chain collapse by construction to the inputs.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- standard math Basic properties of complete graphs, edge colorings, and wheel graphs as defined in standard graph theory.
Lean theorems connected to this paper
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/AbsoluteFloorClosure.leanreality_from_one_distinction unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
We improve their bounds by showing that 3n−2≤R(W_n,W_n)≤6n−6 for even n≥8 and 2n≤R(W_n,W_n)≤(9n−7)/2 for odd n≥7.
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