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On the stellar parameter dependence of the combined Fe I and Fe II chromospheric emission-line in the wings of the Ca II K line

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Pith's one-line read The iron-blend emission in Ca II K wings scales proportionally with Ca II K flux and shares its effective-temperature dependence in G and K giants.

desk verdict The paper finds a slope change at log g≈2.5 in the Fe blend to Ca II K ratio for 21 giants, but small sample and model dependence keep it preliminary. read the letter →

arxiv 2606.21808 v1 pith:VPILT5KG submitted 2026-06-20 astro-ph.SR

Faiber Rosas-Portilla , Luis Zapata , Klaus-Peter Schröder , Sandra González-Enríquez , Dennis Jack , Robert Stencel This is my paper · ORCID
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The reading

The paper examines the combined Fe I and Fe II emission that appears in the wings of the Ca II K line in 21 G and K giant stars. It shows that this iron-blend flux stays proportional to the Ca II K flux both across stars that share similar parameters and within the same star observed at different times. The blend also follows a power-law dependence on effective temperature whose exponent matches the one known for Ca II K, plus an additional metallicity term, which together position the blend as an indirect indicator of chromospheric thermal conditions. The ratio of the two fluxes changes its slope at surface gravity near 2.5, producing different gravity trends on either side of that value and pointing to a shift in the physical conditions each line samples.

What carries the argument

The combined Fe I + Fe II emission blend located in the wings of the Ca II K line, compared directly to the Ca II K core flux after conversion to absolute values via PHOENIX model fits.

What would settle it

A set of observations in which the iron-blend flux fails to remain proportional to Ca II K flux for stars of matched parameters, or in which the (Fe I + Fe II)/Ca II K ratio shows no slope break near log g = 2.5, would falsify the reported relations.

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Core claim

The iron-blend emission shows a proportionality with the Ca II K flux for stars with similar stellar parameters and also for individual stars observed at different epochs. Its effective-temperature exponent statistically matches the exponent found for Ca II K; together with a metallicity dependence this indicates that the iron-blend may act as an indirect tracer of chromospheric thermal conditions. The chromospheric emission flux ratio (Fe I + Fe II)/Ca II K exhibits a distinct slope change around log g approximately 2.5 dex, causing the gravity dependence to differ for stars above and below that threshold and suggesting a transition between regimes where the two diagnostics probe similar ph

Load-bearing premise

The PHOENIX model fits supply stellar parameters and absolute fluxes that accurately reflect the true photospheric and chromospheric properties of the 21 observed giants.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • Both the iron blend and Ca II K respond to the same underlying chromospheric conditions across the sample.
  • The iron blend can function as a supplementary activity indicator when Ca II K data are incomplete or affected by other factors.
  • The change in slope at log g approximately 2.5 marks a shift in how the two diagnostics sample the lower chromosphere and its extension.
  • The matching temperature exponent and metallicity term together imply that the iron blend indirectly registers chromospheric thermal structure.

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Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The log g break could be tested with higher-resolution spectra to see whether it coincides with changes in line-formation height.
  • If the relations hold in larger samples they would allow activity studies of evolved stars where only the iron blend is measurable.
  • The metallicity term suggests the blend might help separate temperature from abundance effects in chromospheric diagnostics.
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Referee Report

3 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper analyzes the combined Fe I + Fe II chromospheric emission in the wings of Ca II K for 21 G/K giant stars. Stellar parameters and absolute fluxes are derived via comparison to PHOENIX models. It reports proportionality between the iron-blend and Ca II K fluxes (both across similar-parameter stars and within multi-epoch observations of individuals), power-law fits showing a Teff exponent that statistically matches prior Ca II K results plus a metallicity term, and a change in slope of the (Fe I + Fe II)/Ca II K ratio near log g ≈ 2.5 that alters the gravity dependence above and below this value. The authors interpret these as evidence that the iron blend traces the same chromospheric conditions as Ca II K, with a transition in formation regimes.

Significance. If the central relations hold after addressing the analysis gaps, the work would strengthen the case for the iron blend as a complementary, parameter-sensitive chromospheric diagnostic in giants and would highlight a possible gravity-dependent shift in lower-chromosphere thermal structure. The multi-epoch proportionality and the reported Teff-exponent agreement are potentially useful for activity studies, provided the model-derived quantities are shown to be robust.

major comments (3)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: the reported power-law exponents (including the Teff match) and the log g ≈ 2.5 break point are obtained by fitting the identical 21-star dataset used to assert proportionality; no independent physical model or external calibration is supplied to predict the transition, rendering the gravity-regime claim circular.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract / results on fits: no error bars, covariance estimates, or formal significance tests are described for the Teff exponent match or the slope-change detection after propagating uncertainties in the PHOENIX-derived parameters (Teff, log g, [Fe/H]); the small sample (~1 dex in log g) makes the break particularly sensitive to even modest systematic offsets.
  3. [Methods] Methods on parameter derivation: absolute fluxes and stellar parameters rest entirely on PHOENIX grid comparison without reported external validation (e.g., asteroseismology, interferometry) or sensitivity tests to alternate model grids, microturbulence, or NLTE effects; such systematics would directly shift both the normalization used for proportionality checks and the location of the reported log g = 2.5 threshold.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract contains a grammatical error: 'both diagnostics seems' should read 'both diagnostics seem'.
  2. [Abstract] No description is given of how outliers or epoch-to-epoch variability were identified and treated in the proportionality checks or power-law fits.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the thorough and constructive report. The comments highlight important limitations in the current analysis regarding statistical rigor, model validation, and the empirical nature of the reported relations. We address each point below and have revised the manuscript accordingly where feasible, adding error analysis, sensitivity tests, and clearer caveats on the observational basis of the findings.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: the reported power-law exponents (including the Teff match) and the log g ≈ 2.5 break point are obtained by fitting the identical 21-star dataset used to assert proportionality; no independent physical model or external calibration is supplied to predict the transition, rendering the gravity-regime claim circular.

    Authors: We agree that the analysis is entirely empirical and that the power-law fits and break point are derived from the same 21-star sample used to demonstrate proportionality. The multi-epoch observations of individual stars provide an independent check on the proportionality within stars, but the parameter dependencies and break remain sample-based. We do not claim an a priori physical model predicting the transition at log g ≈ 2.5; rather, we report the observed change in slope as suggestive of differing formation regimes. In revision we have modified the abstract and discussion sections to explicitly state that the gravity-regime interpretation is an empirical inference from the data and to remove any implication of a predicted transition. revision: partial

  2. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract / results on fits: no error bars, covariance estimates, or formal significance tests are described for the Teff exponent match or the slope-change detection after propagating uncertainties in the PHOENIX-derived parameters (Teff, log g, [Fe/H]); the small sample (~1 dex in log g) makes the break particularly sensitive to even modest systematic offsets.

    Authors: This is a valid criticism. The original manuscript did not propagate parameter uncertainties into the fits or report formal significance for the break. In the revised version we have (i) added Monte Carlo realizations that incorporate the reported uncertainties on Teff, log g and [Fe/H] from the PHOENIX fits, (ii) included bootstrap-derived error bars and covariance matrices for the power-law exponents, and (iii) performed an F-test comparing single-slope versus broken-slope models to assess the statistical significance of the log g ≈ 2.5 break. These additions are now described in the Methods and Results sections. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [Methods] Methods on parameter derivation: absolute fluxes and stellar parameters rest entirely on PHOENIX grid comparison without reported external validation (e.g., asteroseismology, interferometry) or sensitivity tests to alternate model grids, microturbulence, or NLTE effects; such systematics would directly shift both the normalization used for proportionality checks and the location of the reported log g = 2.5 threshold.

    Authors: We acknowledge the reliance on a single model grid. In the revised manuscript we have added (i) a sensitivity analysis varying microturbulence by ±0.5 km s⁻¹ and comparing results with an alternate grid (ATLAS9) for a subset of stars, and (ii) a discussion of possible NLTE effects on the iron lines and Ca II K, noting that any systematic shift would affect absolute fluxes but is unlikely to erase the observed proportionality or the relative change in slope. Full external validation (asteroseismology or interferometry) is not available for this specific sample and would require new observations; we have therefore added an explicit limitations paragraph stating that the reported log g threshold should be regarded as model-dependent pending independent parameter confirmation. revision: partial

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; empirical fits on observed sample

full rationale

The paper derives stellar parameters and absolute fluxes via PHOENIX model comparison, then reports empirical power-law fits and a log g break identified in the same 21-star dataset. These are presented as fitted relations and observed behaviors, not as first-principles predictions or derivations claimed to be independent of the inputs. No self-definitional equations, fitted inputs renamed as predictions, or load-bearing self-citations appear in the provided text. The analysis is self-contained as standard observational fitting against model grids.

Assumptions & free parameters 3 free parameters · 2 assumptions · 0 invented entities

The central relations rest on (1) the assumption that PHOENIX models correctly convert observed spectra into absolute chromospheric fluxes and stellar parameters, (2) the choice of a single power-law functional form without physical motivation for the exponents, and (3) the post-hoc identification of log g = 2.5 as the break point. No new physical entities are introduced.

free parameters (3)
  • power-law exponent for Teff
    Fitted to the 21-star sample to quantify the temperature dependence of the iron blend.
  • metallicity coefficient
    Additional fitted term in the same relation.
  • log g = 2.5 break point
    Chosen after inspecting the flux-ratio data; separates two gravity regimes.
assumptions (2)
  • domain assumption PHOENIX model atmospheres accurately reproduce the photospheric contribution and allow reliable subtraction to isolate chromospheric emission.
    Invoked when deriving absolute fluxes from comparison with models.
  • domain assumption The 21 G and K giants form a representative sample for the claimed parameter dependences.
    Implicit in generalizing the fitted relations beyond the observed set.

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We present an analysis of the chromospheric emission of Fe I + Fe II in the wing of the Ca II K line of 21 G and K giant stars. Stellar parameters and absolute chromospheric fluxes were obtained by comparison with PHOENIX models. The iron-blend emission shows a proportionality with the Ca II K flux for stars with similar stellar parameters and also for individual stars observed at different epochs, confirming that both diagnostics seems to respond to the same underlying chromospheric conditions. We found a dependence of the iron-blend emission on stellar parameters by fitting a power-law relation. The exponent of the effective temperature statistically matches with that found for Ca II K; which, together with a metallicity dependence, indicate that the iron-blend may act as an indirect tracer of chromospheric thermal conditions. The chromospheric emission flux ratio (Fe I + Fe II)/Ca II K exhibits a distinct slope change around log g approx. 2.5 dex; which causes the gravity dependence to be different for stars with gravities lower and higher than 2.5 dex. This behavior suggests a transition between regimes where the two diagnostics probe similar physical conditions and where they begin to diverge in the sensitivity to the chromospheric extension. We discuss the implications of this behavior for the thermal structure of the lower chromosphere and for the formation heights of both diagnostics.

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Figure 1
Figure 1. Combined iron emission lines of Fe I + Fe II in the wings of Ca II K observed in TIGRE-HEROS spectra. The orange dashed line corresponds to the phoenix photospheric LTE model for each star. The points represent the wavelength range in which the fluxes of Ca II (blue asterisk) and Fe I + Fe II (green points) were measured. emission lines appear to be strong only when the chromospheric emission of Ca II K itself was, … view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Comparison of iron emission lines Fe I and Fe II in the wings of Ca II observed in HARPS (𝑅 ≈ 115, 000) and TIGRE-HEROS (𝑅 ≈ 20, 000) spectra. The orange dashed line corresponds to the phoenix photospheric LTE model for each star [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Variability of the emission-line of Fe I + Fe II blend in the Ca II K wing observed at two different epochs for the star HD205435 (𝜌 Cyg, G8III) using TIGRE-HEROS spectra. The points represent the wavelength range in which Ca II K and iron blend fluxes were measured. The fluxes in erg s−1 cm−2 are: (JD 2457177) 𝐹Ca II = 6.576 × 105 and 𝐹Fe I + Fe II = 2.799 × 104 ; and (JD 2458013) 𝐹Ca II = 5.005 × 105 and 𝐹Fe I + F… view at source ↗
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Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Dependence of the (Fe I + Fe II)/Ca II K emission line flux ratio on surface gravity. The blue solid and dashed lines correspond to a linear fit for stars with log 𝑔 > 2.5 dex (Group 1) and log 𝑔 ≤ 2.5 dex (Group 2) respectively. The color code represents the effective…

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