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Feasibilism, Explication, and the Cobham-Edmonds Thesis

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The pith

Arguments that support the Church-Turing thesis can be adapted to support the Cobham-Edmonds thesis that feasible computation is the class P.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper develops arguments for the Cobham-Edmonds thesis by transferring the structure of well-known arguments for the Church-Turing thesis. The Church-Turing thesis equates effective calculability with Turing-machine decidability while the Cobham-Edmonds thesis equates feasible computation with polynomial-time decidability in the class P. By constructing parallel justifications, the work aims to move beyond claims that P is merely useful and toward the stronger position that P is the correct target of explication for feasibility. A sympathetic reader would care because this supplies a philosophical basis for treating polynomial time as the formal boundary of feasible computation rather than an arbitrary cutoff.

Core claim

The paper claims that many of the arguments developed in favor of the Church-Turing thesis can be presented in analogous form in favor of the Cobham-Edmonds thesis, which asserts that feasible computation explicates to the complexity class P of problems decidable by a polynomial-time bounded Turing machine.

What carries the argument

The analogy that transfers arguments from effective calculability to feasible computation.

Load-bearing premise

Arguments developed for the Church-Turing thesis transfer meaningfully to the Cobham-Edmonds thesis without requiring independent justification for the analogy itself.

What would settle it

A demonstration that at least one major argument used for the Church-Turing thesis has no valid counterpart when applied to the notion of feasibility.

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While the Church-Turing thesis asserts that effective calculability explicates to sets decidable by a Turing machine, the Cobham-Edmonds thesis asserts that feasible computation explicates to the complexity class $\mathsf{P}$, those decidable by a polynomial-time bounded Turing machine. The Church-Turing thesis has been placed under rigorous scrutiny and has several convincing arguments in its favor, but the Cobham-Edmonds thesis has not undergone a similar examination. Many of the arguments in its favor simply suggest that $\mathsf{P}$ is a useful assumption, rather than a necessary target. This paper presents analogous arguments in favor of the Cobham-Edmonds thesis.

Editorial analysis

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper claims that the Cobham-Edmonds thesis (feasible computation explicates to P) can be supported by arguments analogous to those that have been developed for the Church-Turing thesis (effective calculability explicates to Turing-computable functions). It observes that existing defenses of the Cobham-Edmonds thesis typically establish only the usefulness of P rather than its necessity as an explication, and seeks to supply necessity-style arguments via this analogy.

Significance. If the constructed analogies are successful, the work would strengthen the philosophical case for P as the correct formalization of feasibility by supplying necessity-based justifications parallel to those for the Church-Turing thesis. This addresses a recognized gap in the literature on the Cobham-Edmonds thesis and could encourage similar analogical reasoning in other foundational questions in complexity theory.

major comments (1)
  1. [§2] The central move—transferring justificatory force from Church-Turing arguments to the Cobham-Edmonds thesis—rests on an unexamined structural analogy between 'effective calculability' and 'feasible computation.' This assumption is load-bearing for the paper's contribution and requires explicit defense; without it, the analogous arguments do not automatically inherit the same normative weight.
minor comments (1)
  1. A side-by-side comparison (perhaps in a table) of the original Church-Turing arguments and their proposed Cobham-Edmonds counterparts would improve readability and allow readers to evaluate the fidelity of the analogy.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive report and for highlighting the load-bearing role of the structural analogy. We agree that this requires explicit defense and will revise the manuscript to address it directly.

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  1. Referee: [§2] The central move—transferring justificatory force from Church-Turing arguments to the Cobham-Edmonds thesis—rests on an unexamined structural analogy between 'effective calculability' and 'feasible computation.' This assumption is load-bearing for the paper's contribution and requires explicit defense; without it, the analogous arguments do not automatically inherit the same normative weight.

    Authors: We accept this criticism. The current manuscript constructs parallel arguments but does not contain a dedicated defense of why the pre-theoretic notions of effective calculability and feasible computation stand in a sufficiently close structural relation to license the transfer of justificatory force. In the revised version we will add a new subsection (likely §2.1) that explicitly articulates the relevant structural parallels—shared closure properties under composition and bounded recursion, the existence of universal machines, and the way both notions are intended to capture informal computational practice—while also addressing potential disanalogies such as the introduction of resource bounds. This addition will make the normative transfer explicit rather than implicit. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity; analogical construction is self-contained

full rationale

The paper's project is to supply necessity-style arguments for the Cobham-Edmonds thesis by explicit analogy to existing arguments for the Church-Turing thesis. No equations, fitted parameters, or derivations appear; the central move is philosophical transfer of argumentative structure rather than any reduction of a prediction or uniqueness claim to a self-citation or definitional input. The analogy is presented as the contribution itself and does not rely on load-bearing self-citations or ansatzes that collapse into the target result. The manuscript is therefore self-contained against external benchmarks with no internal circular steps.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

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axioms (1)
  • domain assumption The Church-Turing thesis has several convincing arguments in its favor.
    Stated directly in the abstract as background.

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