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Nearly tight bounds for induced subdivisions

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Pith's one-line read Induced clique subdivisions found at nearly optimal degree

desk verdict Nearly tight bounds for induced subdivisions — a genuine advance with clean, modular proofs. read the letter →

arxiv 2607.06444 v1 pith:6ETDTSJG submitted 2026-07-07 math.CO

classification math.CO MSC 05C3505D4005C1005C83
keywords inducedsubdivisionK_{st}-freegraphsC_{2k}-freesublinearexpandersdrifting-awaypathsaveragedegreeextremalgraphtheory
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The reading

The paper proves nearly tight bounds on how large the average degree of a graph must be to guarantee an induced subdivision of a complete graph K_h, in two natural sparse settings: graphs forbidding K_{s,t} and graphs forbidding even cycles C_{2k}. The central mechanism is a two-case dichotomy: either the graph is highly irregular (very unbalanced bipartite), in which case the problem reduces to the classical non-induced subdivision theorem of Bollobás–Thomason and Komlós–Szemerédi via an auxiliary graph; or the graph is nearly regular, in which case the authors find the induced subdivision directly using sublinear expansion. In the nearly-regular case, a key innovation is the notion of a drifting-away path — a path whose vertices move away from the branch vertices at a controlled rate — which prevents connecting paths from exhausting the neighborhoods of the branch vertices. For K_{s,t}-free graphs, the bound is Ω(h^{2(s−1)} log^{7(s−1)} h), nearly matching a random-construction lower bound. For C_{2k}-free graphs, the bound is Ω(h log^5 h), optimal up to the logarithmic factor since average degree h is necessary.

What carries the argument

drifting-away path

What would settle it

A K_{s,t}-free or C_{2k}-free graph with average degree exceeding the stated thresholds but containing no induced subdivision of K_h.

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Core claim

The authors introduce drifting-away paths within the sublinear expander framework to build induced subdivisions directly, rather than reducing to the non-induced problem. This, combined with a structural dichotomy separating highly irregular graphs from nearly regular ones, yields bounds within polylogarithmic factors of optimal in both the K_{s,t}-free and C_{2k}-free settings.

Load-bearing premise

The drifting-away path lemma requires that the forbidden set's local density satisfies a specific bound (|F ∩ B^(ℓ)(U_1 ∪ U_2)| ≤ r(ℓ+1)^3/10^15) at each scale; if this bound fails in the application context, the connecting paths cannot be found.

Editorial extensions

If this is right

  • The gap between the upper bound (h^2 polylog h) and the lower bound (h^{4/3}) for C_4-free graphs leaves open the true threshold for induced subdivisions in C_4-free graphs, which the authors identify as a key open problem.
  • The drifting-away path technique may be applicable to other induced embedding problems where connecting paths must avoid accumulated neighborhoods of previously embedded structures.
  • The dichotomy between highly irregular and nearly regular graphs provides a template that could be adapted to other extremal problems in sparse graph classes.
  • Removing the polylogarithmic factors from both theorems would yield fully tight results, which the authors identify as an interesting direction.

Reading between the lines

Editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The bound for C_{2k}-free graphs (h log^5 h) is likely closer to optimal than the bound for K_{s,t}-free graphs, since the lower bound in the latter case has a polynomial gap. This suggests the K_{s,t}-free lower bound may be improvable with more refined constructions.
  • The log^5 h factor in the C_{2k}-free case likely arises from the interplay between the path length O(log^3 h) guaranteed by sublinear expansion and the size of the forbidden set, suggesting that tighter path-length bounds could reduce the exponent.
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Referee Report

3 major / 6 minor

Summary. This paper studies the average degree threshold needed to force an induced subdivision of K_h (or any h-vertex graph H) in two natural sparse settings: K_{s,t}-free graphs and C_{2k}-free graphs. The main results (Theorems 1.1 and 1.2) establish bounds of Ω_{s,t}(h^{2(s-1)} log^{7(s-1)} h) and Ω_k(h log^5 h) respectively, which are nearly tight up to polylogarithmic factors. The proof proceeds via a structural dichotomy (Lemma 3.1) splitting into a highly irregular case, handled by reduction to the classical Bollobás–Thomason / Komlós–Szemerédi theorem, and a nearly-regular case, handled via a novel 'drifting-away path' lemma (Lemma 4.5) in the sublinear expander framework. Lower bounds come from standard random graph constructions and polarity graphs.

Significance. The paper makes a substantial contribution to the study of induced subdivisions, substantially improving the previously known quantitative bounds of Kühn–Osthus and subsequent works. The near-optimality of the bounds in both the K_{s,t}-free and C_{2k}-free settings is a notable strength. The key technical innovation is the notion of 'drifting-away paths' (Definition 4.4) and the associated Lemma 4.5, which provides a unified approach to the nearly-regular case regardless of whether n is polynomial in h. The lower-bound constructions are standard but correctly applied and clearly explained. The modular proof structure is a strength, making the argument auditable.

major comments (3)
  1. Lemma 4.5, proof: In the inductive step, the expansion lower bound is stated as |N(A_{i-1})| >= |A_{i-1}| / (10 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)). The subsequent subtraction of the forbidden-set terms yields a denominator of 13 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r). The telescoping product then uses 1/(13 log^2(15|A_i|/r)) to derive log^3(15|A_i|/r) >= i/26. This chain of inequalities is correct, but the jump from the 1/10 factor to 1/13 is stated without an explicit intermediate calculation showing that the two subtracted terms (2r(i+1)^3/10^15 and r(Δ(G))^{i^{1/3}/(20 log Δ(G))}/10^3) are each bounded by, say, |A_{i-1}|/(60 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)). The inductive hypothesis |A_{i-1}| >= r e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3}/30 is invoked, but the reader must verify that e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3} dominates (i+1)^3 and (Δ(G))^{i^{1/3}/(20 log Δ(G))} simultaneously. While this domination holds (the exponential in i^{1/3} outgrows any polynomial,
  2. Lemma 4.5, proof: In the inductive step, the expansion lower bound is stated as |N(A_{i-1})| >= |A_{i-1}| / (10 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)). The subsequent subtraction of the forbidden-set terms yields a denominator of 13 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r). The telescoping product then uses 1/(13 log^2(15|A_i|/r)) to derive log^3(15|A_i|/r) >= i/26. This chain of inequalities is correct, but the jump from the 1/10 factor to 1/13 is stated without an explicit intermediate calculation showing that the two subtracted terms (2r(i+1)^3/10^15 and r(Δ(G))^{i^{1/3}/(20 log Δ(G))}/10^3) are each bounded by, say, |A_{i-1}|/(60 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)). The inductive hypothesis |A_{i-1}| >= r e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3}/30 is invoked, but the reader must verify that e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3} dominates (i+1)^3 and (Δ(G))^{i^{1/3}/(20 log Δ(G))} simultaneously. While this domination holds (the exponential in i^{1/3} outgrows any polynomial,
  3. Lemma 4.5, proof: In the inductive step, the expansion lower bound is stated as |N(A_{i-1})| >= |A_{i-1}| / (10 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)). The subsequent subtraction of the forbidden-set terms yields a denominator of 13 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r). The telescoping product then uses 1/(13 log^2(15|A_i|/r)) to derive log^3(15|A_i|/r) >= i/26. This chain of inequalities is correct, but the jump from the 1/10 factor to 1/13 is stated without an explicit intermediate calculation showing that the two subtracted terms (2r(i+1)^3/10^15 and r(Δ(G))^{i^{1/3}/(20 log Δ(G))}/10^3) are each bounded by, say, |A_{i-1}|/(60 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)). The inductive hypothesis |A_{i-1}| >= r e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3}/30 is invoked, but the reader must verify that e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3} dominates (i+1)^3 and (Δ(G))^{i^{1/3}/(20 log Δ(G))} simultaneously. While this domination holds (the exponential in i^{1/3} outgrows any polynomial,
minor comments (6)
  1. Footnote 1 on page 3: The authors note a gap in the Komlós–Szemerédi paper [12]. While this is a useful remark, the phrasing 'we believe to be a gap' is somewhat informal for a journal article. Consider rephrasing to state the issue more directly, e.g., 'the inequality ⌈p/L⌉ ≤ 2p/L used in Section 3.3 of [12] requires L ≤ 2p, which need not hold in general.'
  2. Section 2, proof outline: The sketch mentions 'balls of radius 2 around them are disjoint and form induced trees with Ω(d^2) leaves. It is not the exact picture but is close enough to the truth for this sketch.' The parenthetical disclaimer is honest but slightly unusual; a brief parenthetical clarifying what the exact picture is (or a forward reference to Lemma 4.7) would help the reader.
  3. Lemma 3.5, Case 1: The independent set I ⊆ N is stated to have size at least 10^6 s^2 h^2, derived via Kővári–Sós–Turán. The computation uses α(G[N]) ≥ |N|/(d(G[N])+1), but the KST bound on d(G[N]) is stated as 2t^{1/(s-1)}|N|^{1-1/(s-1)}. The factor of 2 and the precise constant in the final bound should be checked for consistency, as the chain of inequalities is somewhat compressed.
  4. Lemma 4.1: The parameter p is set to 1/(5Kt d^{1-1/(s-1)} log d), but later in the proof the bound pn ≥ Ω(d^{1/(s-1)}/log d) is used. The dependence on K and t is dropped in this lower bound on pn; this is fine since K, t are constants, but making this explicit would avoid confusion.
  5. Proof of Theorem 1.1 (page 17): The average degree is stated as d = d(G) ≥ C t^{s-1} h^{2(s-1)} log^{7(s-1)} d. The logarithmic factor is log^{7(s-1)} d (i.e., in d, not h). The theorem statement (Theorem 1.1) uses log^{7(s-1)} h. Since d ≥ Ω(h^{2(s-1)} polylog h), log d = Θ(log h), so these are equivalent, but the switch between log h and log d throughout the paper should be made consistent or explicitly noted.
  6. Claim 4.10 proof: The set D_j is defined as {x ∈ V(G') ∖ B^{(2)}(v_j) : |N_{G'}(x) ∩ N^{(2)}(v_j)| ≥ 4k}, and the bound |D_j| ≤ |N^{(2)}(v_j)| ≤ Δ(G)^2 is stated. The justification via P_{4k-1}-freeness is correct, but the inequality |D_j| ≤ |N^{(2)}(v_j)| does not follow from the P_{4k-1} argument alone; rather, the P_{4k-1} argument gives |D_j| ≤ |N^{(2)}(v_j)|/(4k-1) or similar. Clarify the exact bound being used.

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We thank the referee for the careful reading and the positive assessment. The referee raises a single substantive point (repeated three times, apparently due to a copy-paste artifact), concerning the justification of the step in Lemma 4.5 where the expansion denominator changes from 10 log^2 to 13 log^2. We agree that the intermediate calculation should be made explicit and will add it to the revised manuscript.

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  1. Referee: Lemma 4.5, proof: In the inductive step, the expansion lower bound is stated as |N(A_{i-1})| >= |A_{i-1}| / (10 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)). The subsequent subtraction of the forbidden-set terms yields a denominator of 13 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r). [...] the jump from the 1/10 factor to 1/13 is stated without an explicit intermediate calculation showing that the two subtracted terms [...] are each bounded by, say, |A_{i-1}|/(60 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)). The inductive hypothesis |A_{i-1}| >= r e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3}/30 is invoked, but the reader must verify that e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3} dominates (i+1)^3 and (Δ(G))^{i^{1/3}/(20 log Δ(G))} simultaneously.

    Authors: We agree with the referee that this step should be made explicit. The argument is as follows. By the inductive hypothesis, |A_{i-1}| >= r e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3}/30. We need to show that each of the two subtracted terms is at most |A_{i-1}|/(60 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)), which would justify replacing 10 by 13 in the denominator (since 1/10 - 1/60 - 1/60 = 1/15 > 1/13, and we use 13 for a clean constant). For the first term: 2r(i+1)^3/10^{15} <= |A_{i-1}|/(60 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)) reduces (after substituting the inductive hypothesis and using log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r) <= log^2(15n/r), which is bounded by a constant depending on the parameters) to showing e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3} >= C(i+1)^3 for a suitable absolute constant C, which holds for all i >= 1 since the exponential in i^{1/3} dominates any polynomial. For the second term: r(Δ(G))^{i^{1/3}/(20 log Δ(G))}/10^3 <= |A_{i-1}|/(60 log^2(15|A_{i-1}|/r)) reduces to showing e^{(i-1)^{1/3}/3} >= C · (Δ(G))^{i^{1/3}/(20 log Δ(G))} = C · e^{i^{1/3}/20}, which holds since (i-1)^{1/3}/3 > i^{1/3}/20 for all i >= 1 (as 1/3 > 1/20). We will add these explicit calculations to the proof of Lemma 4.5 in the revised manuscript. revision: yes

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full rationale

The paper's derivation chain is self-contained against external benchmarks. The upper bounds rely on the classical Bollobás–Thomason / Komlós–Szemerédi theorem (Theorem 3.4, cited as [2, 12]) and the Kővári–Sós–Turán theorem, both external results. The sublinear expander framework (Definition 4.2, Theorem 4.3) is attributed to Komlós and Szemerédi [12]. The lower bounds are derived from standard random graph constructions (G(n,p)) and polarity graphs over F_q, not from the authors' own definitions. Self-citations ([6,7,8,10]) are used for context, motivation, and prior results, but the central claims of Theorems 1.1 and 1.2 are proved via a modular argument (dichotomy Lemma 3.1, highly irregular case Lemma 3.5, nearly-regular case Lemmas 4.5–4.8) that does not reduce to any self-cited result by construction. The drifting-away path lemma (Lemma 4.5) is a new technical contribution whose inductive growth bound is verified internally, and its premises are checked in the application context (Lemma 4.6). No step was found where a 'prediction' or 'first-principles result' is equivalent to its inputs by definition or by a fitted parameter renamed as a prediction. The dichotomy lemma (Lemma 3.1) was communicated by Girão and refines variants in [5,7], but it is proved from scratch in the paper (via Lemma 3.2 and Lemma 3.3) and is not load-bearing on any unverified self-citation. No circularity is present.

Assumptions & free parameters 0 free parameters · 3 assumptions · 1 invented entities

The paper relies on standard extremal graph theory results (KST, sublinear expanders, classical clique subdivision theorem). No free parameters are fitted to data. The 'drifting-away path' is a new technical definition, not a postulated entity; its properties are derived from the expander structure.

assumptions (3)
  • standard math Bollobás-Thomason / Komlós-Szemerédi theorem: graphs of average degree Ω(h^2) contain a subdivision of K_h.
    Invoked in Theorem 3.4 to find non-induced subdivisions in auxiliary graphs in the highly irregular case (Lemma 3.5).
  • standard math Kővári-Sós-Turán theorem: K_{s,t}-free graphs have O(n^{2-1/s}) edges.
    Used throughout to bound codegrees and independent set sizes, e.g., in Lemma 3.5 and Lemma 4.1.
  • standard math Komlós-Szemerédi sublinear expander theorem (Theorem 4.3): every graph contains a sublinear expander subgraph with roughly the same average degree.
    Used to pass to an expander subgraph G' before finding induced subdivisions in the nearly-regular case.
invented entities (1)
  • Drifting-away path (Definition 4.4) independent evidence
    purpose: A path P=v_1...v_k where dist(v_ℓ, U) ≥ ℓ^{1/3}/(20 log Δ(G)). Used to ensure connecting paths do not exhaust neighbourhoods of branch vertices.
    The concept is defined and its existence is proved in Lemma 4.5 within the paper. It is a technical tool, not a physical entity, and its utility is demonstrated by the proof of Lemma 4.6.

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  author       = {Pith},
  title        = {Pith review of: Nearly tight bounds for induced subdivisions},
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abstract

Subdivisions of complete graphs play a central role in combinatorics, having deep connections to structural, extremal, and topological aspects of graph theory. A celebrated conjecture of Mader, proved independently by Bollob\'as and Thomason and by Koml\'os and Szemer\'edi, states that every graph of average degree of order $h^2$ contains a subdivision of $K_h$. In this paper, we consider the induced variant of this problem. A theorem of K\"uhn and Osthus implies that, for every fixed graph $H$ and every $s\ge 1$, graphs of sufficiently large average degree contain either a copy of $K_{s,s}$ or an induced subdivision of $H$. However, even for $H=K_h$, the best previous quantitative bounds were far from optimal. We prove nearly tight bounds for forcing induced subdivisions of $K_h$. We show that every $K_{s,t}$-free graph of average degree $\Omega_{s,t}(h^{2(s-1)}\log^{7(s-1)} h)$ contains an induced subdivision of $K_h$, and that every $C_{2k}$-free graph with $k \geq 3$ and average degree $\Omega_k(h\log^5 h)$ contains an induced subdivision of $K_h$. These bounds substantially improve the previously known results and are nearly optimal in both settings. They also hold if $K_h$ is replaced by any other graph on $h$ vertices.

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