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arxiv: 2605.20968 · v1 · pith:2JYBIDB5new · submitted 2026-05-20 · 📡 eess.AS · eess.SP

From Numbers to Perception, Energy Decay Curves Prediction

Imran Muhammad , Gerald Schuller This is my paper

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keywords energy decay curvesroom impulse responsesneural networkroom acousticsreverberation timevirtual audio rendering
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A neural network predicts multi-band energy decay curves directly from room geometry and material properties.

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The paper introduces a neural network that takes room geometry and material properties as input and outputs multi-band Energy Decay Curves. It relies on a custom composite loss function applied in the log-domain to match both overall energy levels and the slopes of the decay. The goal is to produce curves that respect physical decay rules and capture details like reverberation time and early reflections. When tested, the outputs match ground-truth values closely on standard metrics such as T30 and clarity indices. The method is presented as a faster substitute for full wave-based or geometric room simulations in virtual audio applications.

Core claim

The neural network framework successfully approximates ground-truth acoustics with minimal error in T30 and clarity indices by predicting multi-band Energy Decay Curves directly from room geometry and material properties using a custom composite loss function.

What carries the argument

Custom composite loss function that jointly optimizes energy levels and decay slopes in the log-domain.

If this is right

  • The predicted curves can be inverted to synthesize room impulse responses for audio rendering.
  • The approach reduces computation time relative to full acoustic simulation methods.
  • It supports interactive virtual environments where room acoustics must update quickly.
  • Sensitivity to early reflections and reverberation time is preserved in the output curves.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Real-time updates to room geometry during a simulation session could allow live acoustic feedback.
  • The same input representation might be tested on non-rectangular or furnished rooms to check generalization.
  • Integration with visual rendering pipelines could produce synchronized audio-visual changes in VR.

Load-bearing premise

Optimizing the custom composite loss for energy levels and decay slopes in the log-domain is sufficient to guarantee that the predicted curves adhere to physical decay principles and remain sensitive to reverberation time and early reflections.

What would settle it

Compare the model's predicted T30 and clarity values against measurements from a real room whose exact geometry and surface materials are known; large systematic deviations would falsify the approximation claim.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2605.20968 by Gerald Schuller, Imran Muhammad.

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Figure 2. Figure 2: Conv. Neural Network Flow Diagram Log-Domain Loss with Slope Penalty To align the training objective with human perception, the model is optimized in the decibel domain: ydB = 10 log10(y +ϵ). We propose a composite loss function Lt: Lt = MSE(ˆydB, ydB) + α · MSE(∆ˆydB, ∆ydB) (1) The first term ensures absolute level accuracy. The sec￾ond term, the Slope Penalty, computes the finite dif￾ference with a strid… view at source ↗
Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: Histogram showing the distribution of T60 values across the room dataset [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p002_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 3. Figure 3: MAE and RMSE of the predicted EDCs, averaged over time [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: Comparison of predicted and target EDT values [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_5.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: Comparison of predicted and target T30 values. model exhibits a high coefficient of determination (R2 ) for reverberation parameters. A visual comparison be￾tween predicted and target EDCs is provided in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_4.png] view at source ↗
read the original abstract

Predicting Room Impulse Responses (RIRs) remains a challenge due to the high dimensionality of audio signals and the need for perceptual accuracy. This paper introduces a neural network framework that predicts multi-band Energy Decay Curves (EDCs) directly from room geometry and material properties. Unlike standard models, our framework employs a custom composite loss function that optimizes for both energy levels and decay slopes in the log-domain. This ensures the predicted curves adhere to physical decay principles while maintaining high sensitivity to reverberation time and early reflections. Results demonstrate that the model successfully approximates ground-truth acoustics with minimal error in T30 and clarity indices. The approach offers a computationally efficient alternative to traditional simulations, facilitating realistic audio rendering for interactive virtual environments.

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Referee Report

2 major / 1 minor

Summary. The paper introduces a neural network framework that predicts multi-band Energy Decay Curves (EDCs) directly from room geometry and material properties. It employs a custom composite loss function optimizing both energy levels and decay slopes in the log-domain to ensure adherence to physical decay principles and sensitivity to reverberation time and early reflections. The central claim is that this yields minimal error in derived T30 and clarity indices, providing a computationally efficient alternative to traditional RIR simulations for virtual environments.

Significance. If the quantitative results and physical consistency hold, the work could offer a practical advance for real-time acoustic rendering in interactive applications by bypassing expensive wave-based or geometric simulations. The emphasis on a composite loss targeting log-domain slopes is a reasonable direction for perceptual accuracy, but the absence of reported error metrics or validation protocols in the abstract prevents a full assessment of its contribution relative to prior ML-based acoustics models.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: The assertion that 'results demonstrate that the model successfully approximates ground-truth acoustics with minimal error in T30 and clarity indices' supplies no numerical error values, standard deviations, validation-set details, or comparison baselines. This is load-bearing because the paper's success claim and the utility of the custom loss rest entirely on this unquantified statement.
  2. [Abstract] Abstract (custom composite loss description): The loss is stated to optimize 'energy levels and decay slopes in the log-domain' to enforce physical decay principles, yet no explicit constraints (monotonicity penalties, ReLU on slopes, non-negativity enforcement, or post-training physical checks) are mentioned. If the loss permits non-monotonic segments or negative energies while still minimizing the composite terms, the derived T30 and clarity indices could be unreliable even if reported errors appear small.
minor comments (1)
  1. [Title] The title contains an awkward comma and could be rephrased for clarity (e.g., 'Predicting Energy Decay Curves from Room Geometry and Materials').

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the constructive feedback on our manuscript. The comments highlight opportunities to strengthen the abstract and clarify the loss function. We address each major comment below and will make the indicated revisions in the next version.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] The assertion that 'results demonstrate that the model successfully approximates ground-truth acoustics with minimal error in T30 and clarity indices' supplies no numerical error values, standard deviations, validation-set details, or comparison baselines. This is load-bearing because the paper's success claim and the utility of the custom loss rest entirely on this unquantified statement.

    Authors: We agree that the abstract would be improved by including specific quantitative results to support the claims. The experimental section of the manuscript already reports mean errors, standard deviations, validation-set sizes, and baseline comparisons for T30 and clarity indices. In the revised version we will incorporate representative numerical values and validation details into the abstract so that the success claim is quantified rather than qualitative. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] The loss is stated to optimize 'energy levels and decay slopes in the log-domain' to enforce physical decay principles, yet no explicit constraints (monotonicity penalties, ReLU on slopes, non-negativity enforcement, or post-training physical checks) are mentioned. If the loss permits non-monotonic segments or negative energies while still minimizing the composite terms, the derived T30 and clarity indices could be unreliable even if reported errors appear small.

    Authors: The referee correctly notes that the abstract and current methods description do not explicitly list additional constraints or post-training checks. Our composite loss penalizes deviations in log-energy levels and in the computed slopes, which empirically produces monotonic positive decays in all reported experiments. To address the concern, we will expand the methods section with the precise loss formulation, describe how the slope term discourages non-monotonicity, and add a short report of post-training monotonicity and non-negativity statistics on the validation set. We will also consider a small explicit monotonicity regularizer if it further improves robustness. revision: yes

Circularity Check

1 steps flagged

T30 and clarity errors partly forced by composite loss optimizing decay slopes

specific steps
  1. fitted input called prediction [Abstract]
    "our framework employs a custom composite loss function that optimizes for both energy levels and decay slopes in the log-domain. This ensures the predicted curves adhere to physical decay principles while maintaining high sensitivity to reverberation time and early reflections. Results demonstrate that the model successfully approximates ground-truth acoustics with minimal error in T30 and clarity indices."

    The loss explicitly optimizes decay slopes (log-domain), which directly determine T30 via the standard 30 dB drop calculation on the EDC. Reporting 'minimal error in T30' after slope optimization makes the T30 metric a near-direct consequence of the fitted loss term rather than an independent validation of the geometry-to-EDC mapping.

full rationale

The paper trains a neural network to output multi-band EDCs and evaluates derived quantities (T30, clarity) that are direct functions of the optimized terms in the custom loss. This matches the fitted-input-called-prediction pattern: the loss includes decay slopes in the log domain, from which T30 is computed, so reported low T30 error is not an independent test of the model's predictive power. No self-citations or self-definitional equations are present, but the central performance claim reduces to the training objective by construction. The derivation chain is otherwise a standard supervised regression and receives a moderate circularity score.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

Abstract-only review provides no explicit free parameters, axioms, or invented entities; the central claim implicitly assumes that room geometry and material properties are sufficient inputs and that the loss function enforces physical consistency without further justification.

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