REVIEW 4 major objections 5 minor 46 references
Artifacts in Halo Shapes: Imprints of the Initial Condition
T0 review · 4 major / 5 minor · reviewed 2026-08-06 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read This paper establishes that grid-type initial conditions used to set up cosmological simulations imprint a statistically significant, redshift-dependent orientation bias on dark matter halo shapes, flipping from box-axis alignment at high…
desk verdict Credible detection of a small, sign-flipping box-axis artifact in halo shapes from grid initial conditions, but the glass control does not isolate grid-vs-glass and MDPL2 undercuts the universality claim. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The analysis rests on the inertia tensor of each halo's particle positions: eigen-decomposition yields the halo major axis, and the distribution of these axes is binned on HEALPix sky maps and smoothed with a 10-degree Gaussian kernel to expose directional preferences. The preference is quantified as an excess probability of the cosine angle between the halo axis and the box's Cartesian axes. To connect the late-time pattern to the initial condition, the paper traces halo particles back to their earlier redshifts, and identifies filament orientations via a persistent-homology-based filament finder applied to halo catalogs. The proposed flipping mechanism is illustrated with a simple Gaussian-variable average model, where combining two axis-aligned Gaussian preferences shifts the resultant to an off-axis direction, though the authors call this model overly simplistic.
What would settle it
Run the same halo-shape orientation analysis on paired simulations that share identical cosmology, box size, resolution, code, and halo finder, differing only in grid versus glass pre-initial loading; if the grid run shows no ~1% axis-avoidance at z<2 or the glass run shows a similar pattern, the causal claim fails.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The paper's central claim is that grid-type pre-initial conditions produce statistically significant artificial alignment in halo shapes, with the sign of the effect flipping between early and late times. At z<2, halo major axes preferentially avoid the simulation box's Cartesian axes, at an amplitude of about 1% with significance around -3σ; tracing the particles back shows that at high redshift the same axes preferentially align with the box axes. The amplitude is small enough to be negligible for most cosmological statistics, but the paper demonstrates the effect persists across P3M and TreePM codes, FoF and Rockstar halo finders, and several simulation suites, and is absent in a glass-initialized simulation. The authors propose that the reversal reflects the cumulative alignment artifacts of merging progenitors, though they note the explanation is preliminary and one simulation (MDPL2) shows an inverted pattern.
Load-bearing premise
The conclusion that these alignment patterns arise solely from grid-type initial conditions depends on one glass-initialized control simulation that differs from the grid runs in cosmology, box size, resolution, simulation code, and halo finder.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- Halo shape and galaxy intrinsic alignment catalogs from grid-initialized simulations should be checked for a ~1% box-axis-dependent orientation bias at z<2.
- Because filaments in grid simulations show a persistent alignment with the box axes, cosmic-web orientation studies are also susceptible to this numerical imprint.
- Glass-type pre-initial conditions appear preferable for anisotropic statistics, while isotropic statistics remain largely unaffected.
- The persistence of the artifact across P3M and TreePM codes and FoF and Rockstar halo finders indicates it is a property of the grid load itself, not of any single pipeline.
- The sign flip from initial alignment to late-time avoidance contradicts the common assumption that virialization erases all memory of the initial particle load in halo shapes.
Reading between the lines
- If the grid artifact is real, precision weak-lensing intrinsic alignment measurements using simulated shape catalogs may need a box-axis correction; the paper itself notes the effect on pairwise alignments would be suppressed to ~0.01%, but single-direction statistics could still be biased.
- The reversed sign in MDPL2 hints that a property of the specific grid construction—such as grid offset, particle ordering in the displacement field, or the 1LPT vs 2LPT perturbation step—controls the sign; swapping grid offsets in a controlled run could pin down the mechanism.
- The minor axes show stronger early-time artifacts than major axes, suggesting shape estimators that weight the minor axis (e.g., reduced inertia tensor) may change the measured magnitude; this is directly testable on the same halos.
- The proposed merger-history mechanism predicts that low-redshift halos split by last major merger time should show opposite alignment signs; constructing merger trees from the same simulations would settle the hypothesis without new runs.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper examines whether the choice of pre-initial conditions (grid vs. glass particle loads) leaves detectable artifacts in the shapes of dark matter halos in cosmological N-body simulations. Using halo catalogs from five simulations (CosmicGrowth, ELUCID, Uchuu1000Pl18, MDPL2, and Kun fiducial), the authors construct smoothed HEALPix maps of halo major-axis orientations and measure the excess probability of alignment with the simulation-box Cartesian axes. They report a redshift-dependent signal: at low redshift (z<2), halo shapes in most grid-initialized simulations preferentially avoid the Cartesian axes, while the constituent particles of present-day halos preferentially align with those axes at early times. Filament orientations also show a persistent grid-axis alignment. A single glass-initialized simulation (Kun) shows no such signal. The paper proposes a qualitative explanation involving the averaging of progenitor alignments during mergers.
Significance. If the causal attribution is correct, the result is relevant for precision analyses of halo and galaxy shapes, intrinsic alignments, and mock catalog construction, where even a ~1% box-axis-dependent bias could matter for percent-level statistics. The paper has notable strengths: it uses multiple independent public simulations, checks two different force solvers and two halo finders, and supports the main detection with Poisson error bars in the excess-probability measurement. The time-tracing of proto-halo particles and the filament analysis are informative. However, the central causal claim that the patterns arise solely from grid-type initial conditions is not established by the current control, and the behavior in MDPL2 shows an opposite sign, so the claimed universality is not yet supported.
major comments (4)
- [Sec. 3.4, Table 1] The conclusion that the alignment patterns in CosmicGrowth, ELUCID, Uchuu1000Pl18, and MDPL2 "arise solely from grid-type initial conditions" is not supported by the Kun control as presented. Kun differs from every grid simulation in cosmology (Omega_m=0.3111 versus 0.258-0.3089), box size (1000 h^-1 Mpc versus 500-600 h^-1 Mpc), particle mass (2.96e9 versus 3.09e8-1.51e9 Msun/h), simulation code (Gadget-4 versus Jing/Gadget-2/GreeM), and in some comparisons halo finder. A null result under this combination of simultaneous changes cannot isolate the pre-initial-condition type. A matched control with identical code, cosmology, resolution, and halo finder, or at least a grid-initialized run from the Kun suite, is needed before the abstract's causal statement is justified.
- [Sec. 3.1, Fig. 3; Sec. 4] The abstract and conclusions present the low-redshift avoidance of Cartesian axes as the generic grid-initialization signature, but MDPL2, also grid-initialized, shows the opposite sign at z<1. This is acknowledged in Sec. 3.1 and attributed to a possible difference in the initial-condition generator, but no supporting test is provided. Without a comparison of initial-condition generators (e.g., Ginnungagap versus NGenIC or 2LPTic) on an otherwise identical setup, the claimed universality of the artifact pattern is not established, and the interpretation of the low-z pattern as the characteristic grid-load signature remains open.
- [Sec. 2.4, Figs. 1-7] The statistical significance of the map-level signal is not quantified. The sigma values quoted in the figures are the normalized amplitudes of maps smoothed with a 10-degree Gaussian kernel, but no null-hypothesis test is performed on the smoothed maps, the smoothing scale is described only as "optimized," and no correction is made for the large number of pixels and the three tested axes. In Fig. 7, the error bars are Poisson errors on the binned cosine distribution; they do not capture the covariance between bins, between the three Cartesian axes, or the uncertainty in the map normalization. A robust significance estimate, for example from shuffled or un-smoothed maps, is needed to support the claim that the effect is statistically significant at the map level.
- [Sec. 3.6] The proposed explanation for the low-redshift sign flip is illustrative rather than tested. The Gaussian-averaging example is not fitted to the measured excess probabilities, and the merger-tree categorization that would test the hypothesis is deferred to future work. The manuscript should state more explicitly that this is a qualitative conjecture, not a quantitative explanation, and should not present the zero-crossing argument in Sec. 3.5 as independent confirmation of the merger mechanism.
minor comments (5)
- [Sec. 3.1] There are typos in this section: "condtions" should be "conditions" and "signifcance" should be "significance."
- [Sec. 2.4] The description of the Gaussian smoothing would be clearer if the authors specified whether the 10-degree scale is the FWHM or the standard deviation of the kernel.
- [Fig. 7] The right panel of Fig. 7 is described as tracing particles from z=6 to z=0, but the same panel is also used to claim a consistent zero-crossing; a quantitative criterion for the zero-crossing (e.g., where the excess probability crosses unity) would help the reader assess this claim.
- [Sec. 3.3] The statement that halo particles "initially prefer to align with filaments, and then align out of filaments at low redshift" is an inference from the separate filament and halo measurements; a direct measurement of the angle between halo major axes and the nearest filament orientation would make this connection quantitative.
- [Sec. 3.5] The stacking procedure for the three Cartesian axes is described in words but not shown as an equation; writing out the stacked estimator would make the definition of the reported 1%, 0.8%, and 0.5% amplitudes unambiguous.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the artifact signal is measured, not derived from its own inputs.
full rationale
The paper's central claim is that grid-type pre-initial conditions leave a redshift-dependent imprint on halo major-axis orientations. The evidence is a direct measurement of alignment statistics (HEALPix maps and excess cos(θ) probabilities) on multiple independent simulations (CosmicGrowth, ELUCID, Uchuu1000Pl18, MDPL2). No parameter is fitted to the target signal and then re-predicted; the Sec. 3.6 Gaussian construction is explicitly illustrative ("To illustrate, consider ...") and is not used to generate the measured excesses. No uniqueness theorem or load-bearing result is imported from the authors' prior work: the Kun glass run is used as a direct comparison sample, and its parameters are cited from the authors' emulator papers [32-34], but the null result is computed here rather than taken on citation. The main limitation—Kun differs from the grid runs in cosmology, box size, resolution, N-body code, and halo finder, so the null result does not isolate the pre-initial-condition variable—is an external-validity/confounding issue, not a circularity in the derivation chain. The MDPL2 reversal is explicitly left as a hypothesis to be checked in future work, not asserted as a forced consequence. Thus there is no step in which an output is equivalent to an input by construction, no fitted parameter renamed as a prediction, and no self-citation chain that carries the conclusion.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (2)
- HEALPix smoothing scale =
10 degrees (Nside=512)
- Minimum halo particle thresholds =
200 (CosmicGrowth, ELUCID); 1000 (Uchuu); 100 (MDPL2); 20 (filaments)
assumptions (3)
- domain assumption Kun glass simulation is a valid control for isolating grid effects despite different cosmology, box size, resolution, code, and halo finder.
- domain assumption HEALPix vector-count maps, after smoothing and variance normalization, reflect true directional preferences without smoothing-induced correlations.
- ad hoc to paper Merger histories can shift preferential alignment from Cartesian axes to diagonal directions via averaging of progenitor alignments.
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Artifacts in Halo Shapes: Imprints of the Initial Condition." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/3MI4YXZ2
@misc{pith2026250716745,
author = {Pith},
title = {Pith review of: Artifacts in Halo Shapes: Imprints of the Initial Condition},
year = {2026},
howpublished = {\url{https://pith.science/paper/3MI4YXZ2}},
note = {Machine review of arXiv:2507.16745}
}
abstract
Grid type pre-initial conditions are commonly used to initialize particle positions in cosmological simulations. While these conditions are known to produce noticeable numerical artifacts in void regions, their impact on halo properties has generally been assumed to be negligible. In this work, we employ multiple simulations to demonstrate that grid initialization induces statistically significant artifacts in halo shapes, despite the modest absolute amplitude ($\sim 1\%$) making them unimportant for most cosmological studies. We identify a redshift-dependent artificial alignment pattern: at low redshifts ($z<2$), halo shapes preferentially orient away from the simulation box's Cartesian axes, whereas their constituent particles initially exhibit alignment with these axes. We propose a mathematical hypothesis to explain this flipping behavior.
Reference graph
Works this paper leans on
-
[1]
S.D.M. White, C.S. Frenk and M. Davis, Clustering in a neutrino-dominated universe , Astrophys. J. Lett. 274 (1983) L1
work page 1983
-
[2]
S.D.M. White, C.S. Frenk, M. Davis and G. Efstathiou, Clusters, Filaments, and Voids in a Universe Dominated by Cold Dark Matter , Astrophys. J. 313 (1987) 505
work page 1987
-
[3]
J.R. Bond, L. Kofman and D. Pogosyan, How filaments of galaxies are woven into the cosmic web, Nature 380 (1996) 603 [ astro-ph/9512141]
arXiv 1996
-
[4]
J.F. Navarro, C.S. Frenk and S.D.M. White, A Universal Density Profile from Hierarchical Clustering, Astrophys. J. 490 (1997) 493 [ astro-ph/9611107]
arXiv 1997
-
[5]
Bertschinger, Simulations of Structure Formation in the Universe , Annu
E. Bertschinger, Simulations of Structure Formation in the Universe , Annu. Rev. Astron. Astrophys. 36 (1998) 599
work page 1998
-
[6]
V. Springel, S.D.M. White, A. Jenkins, C.S. Frenk, N. Yoshida, L. Gao et al., Simulations of the formation, evolution and clustering of galaxies and quasars , Nature 435 (2005) 629 [astro-ph/0504097]
arXiv 2005
-
[7]
R.E. Angulo and O. Hahn, Large-scale dark matter simulations , Living Reviews in Computational Astrophysics 8 (2022) 1 [ 2112.05165]
arXiv 2022
- [8]
Show all 46 references
-
[9]
Blake, C
C. Blake, C. Garcia-Quintero, S. Ahlen, D. Bianchi, D. Brooks, T. Claybaugh et al., The DESI-Lensing Mock Challenge: large-scale cosmological analysis of 3x2-pt statistics , The Open Journal of Astrophysics 8 (2025) 24 [ 2412.12548]
2025 arXiv
-
[10]
Fern´ andez-Garc ´ ıa, F
E. Fern´ andez-Garc ´ ıa, F. Prada, A. Smith, J. DeRose, A.J. Ross, S. Bailey et al.,DESI DR2 reference mocks: clustering results from Uchuu-BGS and LRG , arXiv e-prints (2025) arXiv:2507.01593 [2507.01593]
2025
-
[11]
Croft and C.A
R.A.C. Croft and C.A. Metzler, Weak-Lensing Surveys and the Intrinsic Correlation of Galaxy Ellipticities, Astrophys. J. 545 (2000) 561 [ astro-ph/0005384]
2000 arXiv
-
[12]
Heavens, A
A. Heavens, A. Refregier and C. Heymans, Intrinsic correlation of galaxy shapes: implications for weak lensing measurements , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 319 (2000) 649 [astro-ph/0005269]
2000 arXiv
-
[13]
K. Xu, Y.P. Jing, G.-B. Zhao and A.J. Cuesta, Evidence for baryon acoustic oscillations from galaxy-ellipticity correlations., Nature Astronomy 7 (2023) 1259 [ 2306.09407]
2023 arXiv
-
[14]
Lavaux and B.D
G. Lavaux and B.D. Wandelt, Precision Cosmography with Stacked Voids, Astrophys. J. 754 (2012) 109 [ 1110.0345]
2012 arXiv
-
[15]
Z. Wu, Y. Luo, W. Wang, X. Kang and R. Cen, Cosmological imprints in the filament with DisPerSE, Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 538 (2025) 830 [ 2402.15712]
2025 arXiv
-
[16]
Efstathiou, M
G. Efstathiou, M. Davis, S.D.M. White and C.S. Frenk, Numerical techniques for large cosmological N-body simulations, Astrophys. J. Suppl. Ser. 57 (1985) 241
1985
-
[17]
White, Formation and Evolution of Galaxies: Les Houches Lectures , arXiv e-prints (1994) astro [ astro-ph/9410043]
S.D.M. White, Formation and Evolution of Galaxies: Les Houches Lectures , arXiv e-prints (1994) astro [ astro-ph/9410043]
1994 arXiv
-
[18]
Baugh, E
C.M. Baugh, E. Gaztanaga and G. Efstathiou, A comparison of the evolution of density fields in perturbation theory and numerical simulations - II. Counts-in-cells analysis , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 274 (1995) 1049 [ astro-ph/9408057]
1995 arXiv
-
[19]
Centrella, J.S
J.M. Centrella, J.S. Gallagher, III, A.L. Melott and H.A. Bushouse, A Case Study of Large-Scale Structure in a “Hot” Model Universe , Astrophys. J. 333 (1988) 24
1988
-
[20]
G¨ otz and J
M. G¨ otz and J. Sommer-Larsen,Galaxy formation: Warm dark matter, missing satellites, and the angular momentum problem , Astrophysics and Space Science 284 (2003) 341 [astro-ph/0210599]
2003 arXiv
-
[21]
Wang and S.D.M
J. Wang and S.D.M. White, Discreteness effects in simulations of hot/warm dark matter , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 380 (2007) 93 [ astro-ph/0702575]
2007 arXiv
-
[22]
L’Huillier, C
B. L’Huillier, C. Park and J. Kim, Effects of the initial conditions on cosmological N-body simulations, New Astronomy 30 (2014) 79 [ 1401.6180]
2014 arXiv
-
[23]
Masaki, T
S. Masaki, T. Nishimichi and M. Takada, Impacts of pre-initial conditions on anisotropic separate universe simulations: a boosted tidal response in the epoch of reionization , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 500 (2021) 1018 [ 2007.08727]
2021 arXiv
-
[24]
Hansen, O
S.H. Hansen, O. Agertz, M. Joyce, J. Stadel, B. Moore and D. Potter, An Alternative to Grids and Glasses: Quaquaversal Pre-Initial Conditions for N-Body Simulations , Astrophys. J. 656 (2007) 631 [ astro-ph/0606148]
2007 arXiv
-
[25]
Joyce, B
M. Joyce, B. Marcos and T. Baertschiger, Towards quantitative control on discreteness error in the non-linear regime of cosmological N-body simulations , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 394 (2009) 751 [ 0805.1357]
2009 arXiv
-
[26]
Liao, An alternative method to generate pre-initial conditions for cosmological N-body simulations, Mon
S. Liao, An alternative method to generate pre-initial conditions for cosmological N-body simulations, Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 481 (2018) 3750 [ 1807.03574]
2018 arXiv
-
[27]
Zhang, S
T. Zhang, S. Liao, M. Li and J. Zhang, Numerical convergence of pre-initial conditions on dark matter halo properties , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 507 (2021) 6161 [ 2109.02904]. – 14 –
2021 arXiv
-
[28]
Jing, CosmicGrowth Simulations—Cosmological simulations for structure growth studies , Science China Physics, Mechanics, and Astronomy 62 (2019) 19511 [ 1807.06802]
Y. Jing, CosmicGrowth Simulations—Cosmological simulations for structure growth studies , Science China Physics, Mechanics, and Astronomy 62 (2019) 19511 [ 1807.06802]
2019 arXiv
-
[29]
Wang, H.J
H. Wang, H.J. Mo, X. Yang, Y. Zhang, J. Shi, Y.P. Jing et al., ELUCID - Exploring the Local Universe with ReConstructed Initial Density Field III: Constrained Simulation in the SDSS Volume, Astrophys. J. 831 (2016) 164 [ 1608.01763]
2016 arXiv
-
[30]
Ishiyama, F
T. Ishiyama, F. Prada, A.A. Klypin, M. Sinha, R.B. Metcalf, E. Jullo et al., The Uchuu simulations: Data Release 1 and dark matter halo concentrations , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 506 (2021) 4210 [ 2007.14720]
2021 arXiv
-
[31]
Klypin, G
A. Klypin, G. Yepes, S. Gottl¨ ober, F. Prada and S. Heß, MultiDark simulations: the story of dark matter halo concentrations and density profiles , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 457 (2016) 4340 [1411.4001]
2016 arXiv
-
[32]
Z. Chen, Y. Yu, J. Han and Y. Jing, CSST cosmological emulator I: Matter power spectrum emulation with one percent accuracy to k = 10h Mpc -1, Science China Physics, Mechanics, and Astronomy 68 (2025) 289512 [ 2502.11160]
2025 arXiv
-
[33]
Chen and Y
Z. Chen and Y. Yu, CSST Cosmological Emulator II: Generalized Accurate Halo Mass Function Emulation, arXiv e-prints (2025) arXiv:2506.09688 [ 2506.09688]
2025 arXiv
-
[34]
S. Zhou, Z. Chen and Y. Yu, CSST Cosmological Emulator III: Hybrid Lagrangian Bias Expansion Emulation of Galaxy Clustering , arXiv e-prints (2025) arXiv:2506.04671 [2506.04671]
2025
-
[35]
Bailin and M
J. Bailin and M. Steinmetz, Internal and External Alignment of the Shapes and Angular Momenta of ΛCDM Halos , Astrophys. J. 627 (2005) 647 [ astro-ph/0408163]
2005 arXiv
-
[36]
Codis, R
S. Codis, R. Gavazzi, Y. Dubois, C. Pichon, K. Benabed, V. Desjacques et al., Intrinsic alignment of simulated galaxies in the cosmic web: implications for weak lensing surveys , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 448 (2015) 3391 [ 1406.4668]
2015 arXiv
-
[37]
Codis, A
S. Codis, A. Jindal, N.E. Chisari, D. Vibert, Y. Dubois, C. Pichon et al., Galaxy orientation with the cosmic web across cosmic time , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 481 (2018) 4753 [1809.06212]
2018 arXiv
-
[38]
H.-d. Wang, P. Wang, M. Bao, Y. Chen, X.-x. Tang, Y. Zhang et al., Observed Antiparallel Correlation between Spiral Galaxy and Cosmic Filament Spins , Astrophys. J. Lett. 987 (2025) L30 [2506.22794]
2025 arXiv
-
[39]
Sousbie, The persistent cosmic web and its filamentary structure - I
T. Sousbie, The persistent cosmic web and its filamentary structure - I. Theory and implementation, Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 414 (2011) 350 [ 1009.4015]
2011 arXiv
-
[40]
Sousbie, C
T. Sousbie, C. Pichon and H. Kawahara, The persistent cosmic web and its filamentary structure - II. Illustrations , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 414 (2011) 384 [ 1009.4014]
2011 arXiv
-
[41]
W. Wang, P. Wang, H. Guo, X. Kang, N.I. Libeskind, D. Gal´ arraga-Espinosa et al., The boundary of cosmic filaments , Mon. Not. Roy. Astron. Soc. 532 (2024) 4604 [ 2402.11678]
2024 arXiv
-
[42]
Q.-R. Yang, W. Zhu, G. Yu, J.-F. Mo, Y. Zheng and L.-L. Feng, On the width and profiles of cosmic filaments, arXiv e-prints (2025) arXiv:2507.02476 [ 2507.02476]
2025
-
[43]
G. Yu, W. Zhu, Q.-R. Yang, J.-F. Mo, T.-C. Luan and L.-L. Feng, Impact of the Cosmic Web on the Properties of Galaxies in IllustrisTNG Simulations , Astrophys. J. 986 (2025) 193 [2504.01245]
2025 arXiv
-
[44]
X.-x. Tang, P. Wang, W. Wang, M.-J. Sheng, H.-R. Yu and H. Xu, Cosmic Filament Spin. I. A Comparative Study in Observation , Astrophys. J. 982 (2025) 197 [ 2503.10841]
2025 arXiv
-
[45]
J. Li, Y. Zheng and W. Zhu, Tracing Missing Baryons in the Cosmic Filaments with tSZ and CMB-Lensing Stacking, arXiv e-prints (2025) arXiv:2507.08561 [ 2507.08561]. – 15 –
2025
-
[46]
Zhang, X
T. Zhang, X. Liu, Z. Li, C. Wei, G. Li, Y. Luo et al., Modeling the impacts of galaxy intrinsic alignments on weak lensing peak statistics , arXiv e-prints (2025) arXiv:2507.09232 [2507.09232]. – 16 –
2025 arXiv
Reviewed August 6, 2026 · model on record in the stance chip above.
Discussion (0). Sign in to comment.