On numerical semigroups with embedding dimension four
Pith reviewed 2026-05-07 14:52 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
A geometric procedure determines the Apéry set for any numerical semigroup with embedding dimension four.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
We develop a geometric procedure for finding the Apéry set of any numerical semigroup with embedding dimension four. We use this method to find the Frobenius numbers, genera, Betti elements, minimal presentations and catenary degrees of numerical semigroups generated by four consecutive squares and four consecutive triangular numbers.
What carries the argument
The geometric procedure that locates the Apéry set directly from the four minimal generators of the semigroup.
If this is right
- The Frobenius number of any such semigroup equals the largest element of the Apéry set found by the procedure minus the multiplicity.
- Explicit values for the genus, Betti elements, minimal presentations, and catenary degrees follow immediately once the Apéry set is known.
- The two families generated by four consecutive squares and four consecutive triangular numbers now have closed-form or tabulated invariants obtained uniformly.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The geometric construction may suggest analogous visualizations for semigroups whose minimal generating sets have size greater than four.
- Algorithmic implementations could use the procedure to automate invariant computation in computer-algebra packages.
- The explicit results for squares and triangular numbers may expose arithmetic patterns connecting these semigroups to other classical sequences.
Load-bearing premise
The geometric procedure correctly identifies the Apéry set for every numerical semigroup whose minimal generating set has exactly four elements.
What would settle it
A specific four-tuple of positive integers that minimally generate a numerical semigroup, for which the geometric procedure returns an Apéry set different from the set of least non-negative representatives in each residue class modulo the smallest generator.
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read the original abstract
We develop a geometric procedure for finding the Ap\'ery set of any numerical semigroup with embedding dimension four. Previous methods of comparable strength worked only for embedding dimension three or under very specific conditions. We illustrate our method by finding the Frobenius numbers, genera, Betti elements, minimal presentations, and catenary degrees of numerical semigroups generated by four consecutive squares and by four consecutive triangular numbers.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript develops a geometric procedure for finding the Apéry set of numerical semigroups with embedding dimension four. It then applies the procedure to compute the Frobenius number, genus, Betti elements, minimal presentations, and catenary degrees for the two families of semigroups generated by four consecutive squares and four consecutive triangular numbers.
Significance. If the geometric procedure is shown to be general and correct for arbitrary four-generator numerical semigroups, the work would offer a practical tool for computing key invariants in this case, which is computationally more involved than lower embedding dimensions. The explicit computations for the two families provide concrete new data on those semigroups.
major comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: The central claim that the geometric procedure determines the Apéry set for 'any' numerical semigroup with embedding dimension four is not supported by a general argument or verification. The manuscript only demonstrates the procedure on the two special families of consecutive squares and consecutive triangular numbers; no proof is given that the construction recovers the correct Apéry set for arbitrary coprime 4-tuples (for example, when the minimal relations have higher rank or the generators are not ordered consecutively).
- [Applications] The applications section: Without an explicit general proof or additional test cases with non-consecutive generators, it is unclear whether the geometric representation (lattice diagram or projection onto residue classes) tacitly relies on properties that may fail for some embedding-dimension-four semigroups.
minor comments (1)
- [Procedure] The geometric construction would benefit from an additional diagram or worked example with a non-special 4-tuple to illustrate the steps.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We are grateful to the referee for the insightful comments and the recommendation for major revision. We address the major comments point by point below, indicating the changes we will implement in the revised manuscript.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: The central claim that the geometric procedure determines the Apéry set for 'any' numerical semigroup with embedding dimension four is not supported by a general argument or verification. The manuscript only demonstrates the procedure on the two special families of consecutive squares and consecutive triangular numbers; no proof is given that the construction recovers the correct Apéry set for arbitrary coprime 4-tuples (for example, when the minimal relations have higher rank or the generators are not ordered consecutively).
Authors: We agree that a general proof for arbitrary embedding-dimension-four numerical semigroups is not provided in the manuscript. The geometric procedure is constructed and then applied specifically to the families of four consecutive squares and four consecutive triangular numbers. To address this concern, we will revise the abstract to state that we develop a geometric procedure for finding the Apéry set of numerical semigroups with embedding dimension four and apply it to these two families. We will also add a brief discussion in the introduction about the scope of the method. revision: yes
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Referee: [Applications] The applications section: Without an explicit general proof or additional test cases with non-consecutive generators, it is unclear whether the geometric representation (lattice diagram or projection onto residue classes) tacitly relies on properties that may fail for some embedding-dimension-four semigroups.
Authors: We concur that the applications are confined to the two consecutive families, and no further test cases are included. This leaves open the possibility that the method depends on features specific to consecutive generators. In the revised version, we will incorporate an additional example involving non-consecutive generators to illustrate the procedure's applicability more broadly and to verify that the geometric representation holds in such cases. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity: new geometric procedure stands independently
full rationale
The paper introduces a geometric procedure for Apéry sets of embedding-dimension-four numerical semigroups as an original construction, then applies it to two concrete families (consecutive squares, consecutive triangular numbers). No equations reduce the claimed output to fitted parameters, self-definitions, or prior self-citations; the procedure is not shown to be equivalent to its inputs by construction. The derivation chain remains self-contained and does not rely on renaming known results or smuggling ansatzes via self-reference.
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