Representing One Letter Weighted Automata Over the Tropical Semiring
Pith reviewed 2026-06-26 05:40 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
Determinisation of unary tropical weighted automata is coNP-complete.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Every weighted automaton over the tropical semiring with a unary alphabet can be effectively converted into an equivalent union of deterministic weighted automata. The conversion produces a representation of quadratic size and can be carried out in polynomial time. This fact is used to show that determinisation and register minimisation are coNP-complete, and that boundedness is coNP-complete by reduction.
What carries the argument
Polynomial-time conversion of a unary tropical weighted automaton to a quadratic-size equivalent union of deterministic weighted automata, presented as a generalization of Chrobak's normal form.
If this is right
- Determinisation is coNP-complete.
- Register minimisation is coNP-complete.
- The boundedness problem is coNP-complete via reduction from determinisation.
- The problems are coW[1]-hard when parametrized by the number of deterministic automata in the union.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The quadratic representation may allow verification algorithms to run on the converted form for moderate-size inputs.
- Similar conversions could be investigated for weighted automata over other semirings.
- The coW[1]-hardness result indicates that hardness persists even when the union size is treated as a fixed parameter.
Load-bearing premise
Every weighted automaton can be turned into an equivalent union of deterministic weighted automata with quadratic size in polynomial time.
What would settle it
A unary tropical weighted automaton whose smallest equivalent union of deterministic automata requires more than quadratic size, or for which no polynomial-time conversion exists.
read the original abstract
We consider weighted automata over the tropical semiring $\mathbb{Z}_\infty(min, +)$. Recently, it was shown that determinisation is decidable; in this paper we focus on the complexity when the alphabet is unary. In 2001, Lombardy showed this problem is decidable, a close inspection of his proof yields a coNP upper bound on the complexity. Earlier Gaubert showed that every weighted automaton in this setting can be effectively turned into an equivalent union of deterministic weighted automata. We prove Gaubert's result efficiently, presenting it as a generalisation of Chrobak's normal form for unary NFA. In particular, we prove that the equivalent union of deterministic weighted automata can be represented by a weighted automaton of quadratic size in the size of the original one, and this representation can be computed in polynomial time. Building on this, we show that determinisation, and even register minimisation (which generalises determinisation), is coNP-complete. We complete the paper with observations that the boundedness problem is also coNP-complete by reductions with determinisation. Lastly, we provide evidence that all of these problems are not FPT (by proving $coW_1$-hardness) when parametrised by the number of deterministic automata in the union.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript claims that every unary weighted automaton over the tropical semiring admits an equivalent union of deterministic weighted automata that can be represented by a quadratic-size weighted automaton and computed in polynomial time, generalizing Chrobak's normal form. From this construction the authors derive coNP-completeness of determinisation and of register minimisation (which generalises determinisation), coNP-completeness of the boundedness problem via reductions from determinisation, and coW[1]-hardness of the same problems when parameterised by the number of deterministic automata in the union.
Significance. If the central construction is correct, the paper supplies a constructive, efficient normal-form result that extends a classical unary-NFA technique to the weighted setting and yields matching upper and lower bounds for several decision problems. The explicit quadratic-size representation and polynomial-time algorithm constitute a concrete algorithmic contribution that may be reusable beyond the complexity results.
minor comments (2)
- [Abstract] Abstract: the sentence stating the quadratic-size representation would benefit from an explicit reference to the section containing the construction and its complexity analysis.
- The paper should clarify whether the quadratic-size bound is measured in the number of states or in the total size including weights and transitions.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful summary of our results and for recommending minor revision. The report does not enumerate any specific major comments, so there are no individual points requiring detailed rebuttal or revision at this stage. We note that the referee conditions the significance assessment on the correctness of the central construction; we maintain that the quadratic-size polynomial-time representation of the union of deterministic weighted automata (generalizing Chrobak's normal form) is correctly established in the manuscript.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity identified
full rationale
The paper's central construction is an explicit new polynomial-time algorithm that converts a unary WA over the tropical semiring into an equivalent quadratic-size union of deterministic WAs, presented as a generalization of Chrobak's normal form. This construction is independent of the subsequent coNP-completeness claims, which follow from standard reductions. No self-definitional equations, fitted inputs renamed as predictions, or load-bearing self-citations appear; the argument rests on external prior results (Gaubert, Lombardy, Chrobak) plus the new explicit construction, making the derivation self-contained against external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (2)
- standard math The tropical semiring operations (min as addition, + as multiplication) define the semantics of weighted automata correctly.
- domain assumption Chrobak's normal form for unary NFA can be generalized to weighted automata.
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