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Bayesian ages of local young stellar associations I. Through the expansion rate method
T0 review · 4 major / 6 minor · reviewed 2026-08-07 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read By inverting the measured expansion of nearby young stellar associations, this paper derives Bayesian ages for 18 systems and argues that most kinematic-versus-nuclear age disagreements are artifacts of mixing distinct stellar populations.
desk verdict Homogeneous expansion-age catalogue plus several new nearby associations, but the age inversion defers to an unavailable companion paper and the oldest ages press against the method's own 40 Myr limit. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing machinery is the Bayesian expansion-rate age estimator: an association's phase space is modelled with a linear velocity field whose diagonal entries are expansion-rate components, and those components are drawn from a single expansion rate that is sampled hierarchically and inverted into an age through a weakly informative age prior. Before the age is estimated, a Gaussian-mixture decontamination step and a two-component Gaussian substructure search remove field contaminants and separate mutually exclusive populations, so the age is not biased by blended member lists. The inputs are Gaia DR3 astrometry and radial velocities compiled from public catalogues, with unresolved-binary and outlier filters applied first.
What would settle it
A full-Galactic-potential traceback of an association older than about 40 Myr, for instance Carina, that shows the expansion rate at birth differs from the present rate beyond uncertainties, or a two-epoch measurement of the same association's expansion rate that changes over time, would falsify the constant-expansion assumption on which every quoted age rests.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The paper's core discovery is that the Bayesian expansion-rate method yields a homogeneous set of ages for local young stellar associations—for example TW Hydrae A at 10.2±1.0 Myr, beta Pictoris at 23.4±4.8 Myr, and Carina at 45.4±9.2 Myr—and that these ages agree with literature estimates once the input lists are cleaned. Within the classical membership lists it independently rediscovers Musca-Foreground, HSC 2597, and Platais 8, and it presents Háap, Balaam, OMAU, Nal, and Chem as newly characterised associations, with OMAU located at only about 36 pc, making it the closest known association to the Sun. The implication is that apparent conflicts between kinematic and nuclear ages were, in most cases, artifacts of mixing distinct stellar populations rather than evidence that one dating technique is wrong.
Load-bearing premise
The ages assume each association began expanding outward at the moment its stars were born and has kept the same expansion rate ever since; if the expansion was imprinted later, or was accelerated or slowed by the Galaxy's gravity, gas removal, or tides, the quoted ages are biased.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- Age calibrations for young stars, exoplanet hosts, and debris disks will have to use the decontaminated, population-separated samples rather than the classical blended lists.
- The reconciliation of expansion ages with nuclear ages means older 'age tensions' in the literature should be re-examined for hidden populations before invoking systematic dating errors.
- The newly identified associations, especially OMAU at about 36 pc, become prime targets for brown-dwarf and exoplanet searches and for tracing recent star formation in the solar neighbourhood.
- The homogeneous map of expansion, contraction, and rotation patterns across 18 systems provides a dynamical baseline for testing models of gas expulsion, tidal interaction, and association dissolution.
Reading between the lines
- Editorial: the constant-expansion assumption is least secure for the oldest systems; since the paper itself notes the Galactic potential becomes important after about 40 Myr, the Carina age of 45.4±9.2 Myr should be read as pending a Galactic-potential correction rather than as final.
- Editorial: applying the same decontamination and Bayesian structure search to traceback and lithium-depletion-boundary datasets would test whether population mixing explains the tensions in those dating techniques too.
- Editorial note: the abstract says four newly discovered associations, while the conclusion and Table 1 list five (Háap, Balaam, OMAU, Nal, and Chem); the age values are unaffected but the counts need reconciliation.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. This paper applies a Bayesian expansion-rate dating method to local young stellar associations (LYSAs) within ~10-40 Myr and ~150 pc. The authors compile literature membership lists, Gaia DR3 astrometry, and radial velocities, then use the Kalkayotl code with Gaussian-mixture decontamination and substructure identification to infer expansion ages. They report ages for 18 systems, including classical associations (EPCHA, ETCHA, TW A, THOR, 118TAU, BPIC, OCT, COL, CAR, THA) and newly identified or rediscovered populations (MuscaFG, HSC2597, Platais 8, Háap, Balaam, OMAU, Nal, Chem). The central claim is that these are valid expansion ages and that previous tensions between kinematic and nuclear ages can be explained, in most cases, by unidentified populations or substructures.
Significance. If the reported ages are valid, this is a valuable and homogeneous dataset for studies of star and planet formation in the solar neighborhood. The paper's strengths are its use of open-source software, careful compilation of public data, transparent decontamination procedures, and the independent rediscovery of known structures plus the identification of new ones. However, the central age inversion rests on assumptions that are not valid for all reported entries, and several posterior distributions are close to their priors, so the compatibility claims are weaker than presented. The method itself is deferred to a submitted companion paper, which limits the verifiability of the results.
major comments (4)
- [§3.5, §5.7, and Table 1] The paper's central age conversion, age = 1/expansion rate, relies on Assumptions 1-3 of Olivares et al. (2025a): the association expanded ballistically, the expansion started at birth, and the expansion rate has remained constant. The paper itself restricts the applicability domain to ~10-40 Myr and ~150 pc (§2.1) and states in §5.7 that Galactic-potential effects become important after ~40 Myr. Yet Table 1 reports CAR at 45.4±9.2 Myr (112 pc), OMAU at 40.1±5.9 Myr, HSC2597 at 39.6±6.9 Myr, and Nal and Chem at 183 and 168 pc. For these entries the constant-expansion assumption is not satisfied under the paper's own criteria, so the quoted numbers are not valid expansion ages as defined. Moreover, for CAR, §5.13 explicitly says the posterior resembles the prior and 'must be taken as a lower limit', but Table 1 presents 45.4±9.2 as a measurement without this caveat. This affects the abstract's claim because the oldest systems are part of the evidence for resolving previous age tensions. Please either flag these entries as lower limits or exploratory values, or recompute them with a model that accounts for the Galactic potential.
- [§5.13, §5.17.2, and Table B.1] Several posterior distributions are close to the prior. CAR's posterior (45.4±9.2 Myr) is essentially the prior of 45±11 Myr; ETCHA's posterior has 'only mildly shrank' (§5.2); Nal's posterior relies on only four radial velocities and broad uncertainty. In these cases the reported age is mostly prior-driven rather than data-driven. The paper acknowledges this for CAR in prose but does not carry the caveat into Table 1 or the abstract. Please quantify the information gain relative to the prior (e.g., prior-to-posterior divergence or effective sample size) and either exclude prior-dominated entries from the compatibility claims or mark them as lower limits. Without this, the claim that expansion ages are 'compatible with literature age estimates' is not a meaningful test for those systems.
- [§3.5 and Appendix A] The age priors are centered on the same literature isochrone and LDB ages later used to claim compatibility (e.g., EPCHA/ETCHA on Ratzenböck et al. 2023a, TW A on Luhman 2023, CAR on Bell et al. 2015, THA on Galli et al. 2023). When the posterior is close to the prior (CAR, ETCHA, Nal), the statement that the expansion ages are compatible with literature ages is largely a restatement of the prior, not an independent validation. This is a circularity concern in the weak-data cases. Please report prior-robustness checks (e.g., reruns with substantially wider priors) or restrict the compatibility discussion to cases where the posterior is demonstrably narrower than the prior.
- [§3.5 and References] The central method, including the expansion-rate to age inversion and its validation on synthetic datasets, is only available in Olivares et al. (2025a), listed as 'submitted to A&A'. That paper is not available for inspection, so the claims of high credibility, <10% error, and <20% uncertainty cannot be verified. For a journal publication, the method description should be self-contained enough for the reader to assess the inversion, or the companion paper should be accepted and accessible before the results are published. This is a load-bearing issue because the entire paper's results depend on that unverified method.
minor comments (6)
- [§3.5] There is a typo: 'hte Bayesian method' should be 'the Bayesian method'.
- [§4.5] The word 'arsing' should be 'arising' in the discussion of the bimodal age posterior.
- [§5.17.1] The phrase 'One one hand' is a typo and should read 'On the one hand'.
- [§6] The conclusions list the new association as 'Nel', but it is named 'Nal' throughout the rest of the paper; please harmonize the spelling.
- [§2.1] The text says OCT is located at ~150 pc, but Table B.1 gives distances of 115 pc for the LACEwING list and 150 pc for UNION-A; please clarify that the 150 pc value refers to a specific component.
- [Figures 1-18] The violin plots compare prior and posterior distributions but do not show the 95% HDI bounds in the figure itself; adding the HDI would make the figures more informative.
Circularity Check
CAR and ETCHA 'expansion ages' reproduce their literature-based priors, so the claimed agreement with literature is partly built in for these entries.
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self definitional
[Sect. 5.13, Appendix A (CAR prior), Table 1]
"It is important to notice that our posterior age distribution resembles that of our prior. Thus indicating that the dataset lacks constraining information to update our prior. For this reason, our CAR age estimate must be taken as a lower limit of the true age of the system (see Sect. 5.17). ... In CAR, we choose an age prior of 45 ± 11 Myr, which peaks at the isochrone fitting age estimate reported by Bell et al. (2015)."
The reported CAR expansion age, 45.4 ± 9.2 Myr in Table 1, is essentially the literature-based prior (45 ± 11 Myr) relabeled as a measurement, because the paper states that the posterior resembles the prior and that the data lack constraining information. Section 5.13 then counts agreement with Bell et al. (2015) and Wood et al. (2023) as support, but that agreement is guaranteed by the prior choice, not by the expansion-rate data. Table 1 lists the value as a measured expansion age without the lower-limit caveat given in Sect. 5.13.
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self definitional
[Sect. 5.2 and Appendix A (EPCHA/ETCHA prior), Sect. 4.2, Table 1]
"ETCHA’s expansion age is consistent, at the 1σ level, with all the literature ages. This overall agreement is explained by the posterior similarity with the prior due to the scarcity of members and RV measurements. ... In EPCHA and ETCHA ... we set its mode to the 9 Myr, similar to the 8.8+2.0−0.4 Myr found by Ratzenböck et al. (2023a)."
The age prior for ETCHA is centered on the literature isochrone age of ~9 Myr, and the paper explicitly says the posterior is similar to the prior because of sparse members and radial velocities. The reported expansion age (7.6 ± 3.4 Myr) and the claimed 1σ consistency with all literature ages are therefore a restatement of the input prior, not an independent expansion-rate determination.
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fitted input called prediction
[Sect. 3.5, Abstract, Conclusions]
"Finally, we establish age prior distribution using the available information in the literature and following the recommendations given in Sect. 6.2 of the method paper. ... The expansion ages we report here are compatible with literature age estimates."
For every association, Appendix A centers the age prior on a literature age estimate. The global abstract claim that the reported ages are 'compatible with literature age estimates' is therefore partly constructed: any association whose data do not move the posterior (CAR and ETCHA are explicitly admitted) will automatically satisfy the compatibility claim. The summary conclusion overstates independent confirmation for the unconstrained subset, even though many associations do have data-driven posteriors.
full rationale
The expansion-rate-to-age inversion itself (age = 1/expansion rate) is an external physical assumption and is not circular within this paper; the method is implemented in open-source code and most associations show posteriors that are narrower than, or shifted from, their priors (e.g., TW A, EPCHA, 118TAU, THOR, Chem). However, the paper contains explicit cases where the reported 'expansion age' is just the literature-based prior because the data are uninformative: CAR (Sect. 5.13: posterior 'resembles that of our prior') and ETCHA (Sect. 5.2: 'overall agreement is explained by the posterior similarity with the prior'). In those cases, the age is set by the isochrone/LDB literature values used as priors, and the subsequent claim of consistency with literature is a tautology rather than a validation. The abstract's blanket statement that 'previous age tensions can be explained ... by unidentified populations or substructures' also leans on this prior-built compatibility for the weakest-data systems. This is partial circularity affecting some headline entries, not a complete collapse of the method: the majority of the 18 reported systems have significant expansion detections and data-informed posteriors, so the central derivation retains independent content. Score 6 reflects the explicit admission that at least two reported ages reduce by construction to their priors.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (10)
- Age prior mean and dispersion for EPCHA/ETCHA =
9 ± 5 Myr
- Age prior mean and dispersion for TW Hya =
10 ± 5 Myr
- Age prior mean and dispersion for THOR/118 Tau =
20 ± 10 Myr
- Age prior mean and dispersion for beta Pic =
23 ± 8 Myr
- Age prior mean and dispersion for Octans and Columba =
34 ± 10 Myr
- Age prior mean and dispersion for Carina and Platais 8 =
45 ± 11 Myr
- Age prior mean and dispersion for Nal and Chem =
10 ± 10 Myr
- Age prior mean and dispersion for Tucana-Horologium =
38 ± 15 Myr
- Field component dispersions in FGMM =
20 pc, 5 km/s
- Substructure separation thresholds =
weights > 5%, Mahalanobis M > 2
assumptions (6)
- standard math Bayesian inference via MCMC sampling of the posterior is valid and the sampler has converged where results are reported.
- domain assumption Expansion started at birth and has remained constant, so age equals the inverse of the present-day expansion rate.
- domain assumption The phase-space distribution of each association is Gaussian or a mixture of two Gaussians.
- domain assumption The linear velocity field model adequately captures the internal kinematics of the associations.
- domain assumption Gaia DR3 astrometry is unbiased after the Lindegren et al. (2021) recipe corrections, and the SIMBAD RV global shift of 0.1 km/s is negligible.
- domain assumption Missing radial velocities are missing in a way that does not bias the inferred expansion rates.
invented entities (5)
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Háap
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Balaam
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omega Aurigae association (OMAU)
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Nal
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Chem
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Bayesian ages of local young stellar associations I. Through the expansion rate method." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/6KUKQA27
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author = {Pith},
title = {Pith review of: Bayesian ages of local young stellar associations I. Through the expansion rate method},
year = {2026},
howpublished = {\url{https://pith.science/paper/6KUKQA27}},
note = {Machine review of arXiv:2506.05130}
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Context. Local young stellar associations (LYSAs <50 Myr and <150 pc) are important laboratories to test predictions from star-formation theories. Estimating their ages through various dating techniques with minimal biases is thus of paramount importance. Aims. We aim at determining the ages of LYSAs with the expansion rate dating technique. Methods. We estimate the ages of the LYSAs using literature membership lists, publicly available data (astrometry and radial velocities), and a recent open-source Bayesian code that implements the expansion rate method. This code in combination with simple statistical assumptions allow us to decontaminate, identify possible substructures or populations, and estimate expansion ages. Results. We derive the largest and most methodological homogeneous set of ages of LYSAs. We rediscover three and discover four associations hidden within the literature membership lists of the classical ones. Conclusions. The expansion ages we report here are compatible with literature age estimates. Moreover, our analysis shows that previous age tensions can be explained, in most cases, by the presence of unidentified populations or substructures.
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