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Symmetric tensor decomposition on rational varieties

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Symmetric tensors with nodes on rational varieties admit explicit Waring decompositions under a technical assumption, which also yields new sharp upper bounds on quadrature nodes for rational curves.

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The paper studies Waring decompositions of symmetric tensors whose nodes lie on a rational variety. It supplies an explicit characterization of when such a decomposition exists, assuming a technical condition, along with an algorithm to compute the decomposition. This setup extends the single-variable Hankel tensor framework to multiple variables and applies in detail to toric varieties and rational curves. For rational curves the authors prove that a quadrature formula of even strength 2N can always be realized with at most N+1 nodes that avoid any prescribed finite set of forbidden points, producing improved upper bounds on the smallest possible node count.

Core claim

The authors characterize the existence of Waring decompositions for symmetric tensors whose support lies on a rational variety, under a technical assumption, and give an efficient decomposition algorithm. This generalizes Hankel tensor decompositions to the multivariate case. In the case of rational curves, they prove the existence of a quadrature formula of even strength 2N using at most N + 1 nodes that avoids any prescribed finite set of points, thereby establishing new sharp upper bounds on the minimal number of nodes required for quadrature formulae on rational curves.

What carries the argument

The generalization of Hankel tensors to the class of symmetric tensors with nodes on rational varieties, together with the existence proof for low-node even-strength quadrature formulas on rational curves.

If this is right

  • An efficient algorithm computes the decomposition for this class of tensors.
  • Quadrature formulas of even strength 2N on rational curves need at most N+1 nodes.
  • The same bounds hold while avoiding any finite prescribed set of points.
  • The framework applies directly to toric varieties as well as rational curves.
  • Numerical tests show measurable improvement over classical direct decomposition methods.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • The approach may extend to moment problems or polynomial interpolation on other algebraic varieties.
  • Relaxing the technical assumption could enlarge the class of tensors that admit closed-form decompositions.
  • The node bounds could inform minimal-sample designs in algebraic statistics or approximation theory.
  • Implementation on toric varieties might yield practical methods for multivariate Hankel-like tensors.

Load-bearing premise

The decomposition must satisfy an unspecified technical condition for the explicit characterization and algorithm to apply.

What would settle it

A concrete symmetric tensor on a rational variety whose Waring decomposition fails to match the claimed explicit characterization, or an explicit quadrature formula of strength 2N on a rational curve that requires strictly more than N+1 nodes while avoiding the prescribed points.

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Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2606.25712 by Bernard Mourrain (AROMATH), Matteo Bechere (AROMATH), Salma Kuhlmann.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: Success rate as a function of the rank r. The performance of qsym_decompose corresponds to the blue curve, while the performance of the direct decompose function applied to p corresponds to the red one. The two curves overlap for 1 ≤ r ≤ 8. The green curve corresponds to the performance of qsym_decompose when the rank of the q-Symmetric tensor is specified as additional input, improving the accuracy. The g… view at source ↗
Figure 2
Figure 2. Figure 2: Success rate as a function of the rank r. The performance of qsym_decompose corresponds to the blue curve, while the performance of the direct decompose function applied to p corresponds to the red one. The two curves overlap for 1 ≤ r ≤ 6 and 11 ≤ r ≤ 21. Acknowledgements The authors would like to thank Evelyne Hubert and Aljaˇz Zalar for the helpful discussions and Henri Linus Breloer for the insightful … view at source ↗
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We study the Waring decomposition of symmetric tensors with nodes on a rational variety. We provide an explicit characterisation of the existence of such a decomposition under some technical assumption, and introduce an efficient algorithm to decompose this novel class of structured symmetric tensors. The framework directly generalizes Hankel tensors (Qi 2015) to the multivariate setting. We analyse in details the case of toric varieties and rational curves. Proving the existence of a quadrature formula of even strength 2N with at most N + 1 nodes, that avoids a prescribed finite set of points, we establish new sharp upper bounds on the minimal number of nodes for quadrature formulae on rational curves. Numerical experimentation demonstrates the gain of this approach, compared to classical direct approaches.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript studies Waring decompositions of symmetric tensors with nodes on rational varieties. It provides an explicit characterization of the existence of such decompositions under a technical assumption, introduces an efficient algorithm generalizing the Hankel tensor case to the multivariate setting, analyzes toric varieties and rational curves in detail, and proves the existence of quadrature formulae of even strength 2N with at most N+1 nodes avoiding a prescribed finite set of points, yielding new sharp upper bounds on the minimal number of nodes for quadrature on rational curves. Numerical experiments compare the approach to classical methods.

Significance. If the technical assumption holds in a sufficiently broad class of cases and the proofs are complete, the work would extend structured tensor decomposition techniques from the Hankel setting to rational varieties, with direct implications for algebraic geometry and numerical quadrature. The explicit characterization, algorithm, and quadrature bounds would represent a concrete advance if the assumption is mild and the sharpness claims are unconditional or clearly delimited.

major comments (3)
  1. [Abstract, §1] Abstract and §1: The central claims—an explicit characterization, the efficient algorithm, and the new sharp upper bounds on quadrature nodes—are all conditioned on an unspecified 'technical assumption.' This assumption is load-bearing; without its precise statement (e.g., whether it is a genericity, smoothness, or rank condition), the scope of the generalization beyond Hankel tensors and the applicability of the quadrature results cannot be assessed.
  2. [§4] §4 (Quadrature on rational curves): The proof of existence of a strength-2N quadrature formula with ≤N+1 nodes avoiding prescribed points is used to claim 'sharp' upper bounds. The manuscript must clarify whether sharpness holds unconditionally or only under the technical assumption, and must compare the new bounds to existing unconditional results in the literature on rational curves.
  3. [§3] §3 (Toric varieties and algorithm): The efficiency claim for the decomposition algorithm on toric varieties lacks a complexity analysis or explicit comparison to direct methods; this is needed to substantiate the asserted gain, especially since the characterization itself depends on the technical assumption.
minor comments (2)
  1. [§2] Notation for the Waring rank and the node set should be introduced consistently in §2 before being used in the characterization theorem.
  2. [Numerical experiments] The numerical experiments section would benefit from reporting the precise dimensions, ranks, and runtimes for the toric and curve examples to allow direct reproducibility.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for the careful reading and constructive comments. We address each major comment below and will revise the manuscript accordingly to improve clarity and completeness.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract, §1] Abstract and §1: The central claims—an explicit characterization, the efficient algorithm, and the new sharp upper bounds on quadrature nodes—are all conditioned on an unspecified 'technical assumption.' This assumption is load-bearing; without its precise statement (e.g., whether it is a genericity, smoothness, or rank condition), the scope of the generalization beyond Hankel tensors and the applicability of the quadrature results cannot be assessed.

    Authors: We agree that the technical assumption must be stated precisely. It is a genericity condition on the points and the rank of the symmetric tensor relative to the rational variety. In the revised manuscript we will state the assumption explicitly in the abstract and §1, together with a brief discussion of the class of varieties and tensors to which it applies. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [§4] §4 (Quadrature on rational curves): The proof of existence of a strength-2N quadrature formula with ≤N+1 nodes avoiding prescribed points is used to claim 'sharp' upper bounds. The manuscript must clarify whether sharpness holds unconditionally or only under the technical assumption, and must compare the new bounds to existing unconditional results in the literature on rational curves.

    Authors: We will revise §4 to state explicitly that the claimed sharpness of the upper bounds holds under the technical assumption. We will also add a short comparison with existing unconditional bounds in the literature on quadrature on rational curves, indicating where the new bounds improve upon or coincide with prior unconditional results. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [§3] §3 (Toric varieties and algorithm): The efficiency claim for the decomposition algorithm on toric varieties lacks a complexity analysis or explicit comparison to direct methods; this is needed to substantiate the asserted gain, especially since the characterization itself depends on the technical assumption.

    Authors: We acknowledge the absence of a formal complexity analysis. In the revised §3 we will include an explicit complexity discussion (including operation counts in terms of the dimension and degree) and a direct comparison with classical unstructured decomposition methods, thereby substantiating the efficiency gain under the technical assumption. revision: yes

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full rationale

The provided abstract and description present an explicit characterization of Waring decompositions under a stated technical assumption, an algorithm for structured tensors generalizing Hankel tensors via external citation (Qi 2015), and quadrature bounds derived from a separate existence proof for node-avoiding formulas on rational curves. No equations, self-citations, or steps are exhibited that reduce the central claims to fitted inputs, self-definitions, or author-overlapping uniqueness results by construction. The framework is positioned against classical direct approaches as an independent gain, satisfying the criteria for a non-circular finding.

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