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The initial mass-remnant mass relation for core collapse supernovae
T0 review · 3 major / 7 minor · reviewed 2026-08-09 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read The paper claims that the heaviest black holes come from non-rotating, very metal-poor stars that directly collapse at about 87 solar masses, inside the theorized pair-instability mass gap, while rotation caps the maximum near 42 solar…
desk verdict A solid new remnant-mass grid and fitting formulas for population synthesis, but the headline ~87 Msun maximum BH is an extrapolation from an adopted PPISN threshold and a sparse grid, so the abstract overstates it. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing object is the initial mass--remnant mass relation $M_{\rm rem}(M_{\rm ZAMS})$, assembled by exploding a homogeneous grid of 13--120 $M_\odot$ progenitors at $\mathrm{[Fe/H]} = 0,-1,-2,-3$, with and without 300 km s$^{-1}$ rotation. Explosions use the 1D radiation-hydrodynamics code HYPERION with a thermal-bomb setup calibrated to SN1987A (injected energy $E_{\rm inj}=2.0$ foe, with 1 foe = $10^{51}$ erg, spread over $dm_{\rm inj}=0.1\,M_\odot$ and $dt_{\rm inj}=0.01$ s); the outcome is a successful supernova or a direct collapse, defined as ejecting less than 10% of the pre-SN mass, and the remnant mass is the final mass coordinate that separates accreted from ejected material. Above the last pair-stable progenitor, remnant masses are stitched to the results of Woosley (2017) by interpolating on CO core mass, with the adopted onset threshold $M^{\rm PPISN}_{\rm CO}=33\,M_\odot$. The CO core mass is the ordering variable throughout: remnant masses track it, and it is linearly fitted against $M_{\rm ZAMS}$ (Eqs. 11--12) to locate the boundary where pulsational pair-instability begins.
What would settle it
Simulate a non-rotating, $\mathrm{[Fe/H]} = -3$ star with $M_{\rm ZAMS}$ between 80 and 120 $M_\odot$ in a code that follows the full pulsational pair-instability phase, including $M_{\rm ZAMS} \approx 87\,M_\odot$; if that star loses more than a few solar masses to pulses or explodes instead of collapsing directly, the claimed gap-filling maximum fails. Alternatively, a gravitational-wave catalog showing no black holes above 60 $M_\odot$ from low-metallicity environments would argue that the adopted onset threshold is too high.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The discovery, on the paper's own terms, is an initial mass--remnant mass relation for core-collapse supernovae that extends across the direct-collapse and pulsational pair-instability regimes. In the non-rotating $\mathrm{[Fe/H]} = -3$ grid, the 80 $M_\odot$ model retains almost all its mass and directly collapses to an 80 $M_\odot$ black hole, while a 120 $M_\odot$ model is pair-unstable; linear fits of CO core mass versus initial mass (Eqs. 11--12) place the first pair-unstable progenitor at $M_{\rm ZAMS} = 87.01\,M_\odot$, with a pre-SN mass of $87.01\,M_\odot$, so the heaviest black hole formed is about $87\,M_\odot$ and lies inside the pair-instability mass gap. With 300 km s$^{-1}$ rotation the same threshold is reached at lower initial mass (about $65\,M_\odot$) and the maximum black hole mass falls to about $39.9$--$41.6\,M_\odot$ because the stars end as stripped helium stars. The paper further claims that non-rotating fallback fractions follow a linear dependence on pre-SN total energy, binding energy, or CO core mass, while rotating progenitors show no such monotonic relation.
Load-bearing premise
The paper's heaviest black hole is not directly simulated: it comes from adopting an external threshold for the onset of pulsational pair-instability (a carbon-oxygen core of $33\,M_\odot$, taken from another study) and extrapolating a straight-line fit over a grid that skips most masses between 80 and 120 $M_\odot$; a different threshold moves the maximum between about 53 and more than 100 $M_\odot$.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- The pair-instability mass gap is not necessarily empty: single non-rotating stars at $\mathrm{[Fe/H]} \approx -3$ can produce black holes of about $87\,M_\odot$, so gravitational-wave mergers could contain components inside the 60--120 $M_\odot$ range without invoking dynamical or binary-only channels.
- Rotation changes the story: with 300 km s$^{-1}$ initial rotation, the maximum remnant mass drops to about $40$--$42\,M_\odot$, so the rotating fraction of a stellar population determines whether the gap is populated.
- Metallicity sets the ceiling through winds: at solar and $\mathrm{[Fe/H]} = -1$, the heaviest black holes are about 28 and 42 $M_\odot$ respectively, meaning gap-filling black holes require low-metallicity, non-rotating environments.
- The non-rotating fallback fits (fraction of mass ejected versus total energy, binding energy, or CO core mass) can be implemented directly in rapid population-synthesis codes to assign remnant masses; the same fits do not work for rotating progenitors.
- The lower edge of the mass gap becomes a diagnostic of pulsational pair-instability physics: adopting the 41 $M_\odot$ carbon-oxygen core threshold from another study pushes the maximum above 100 $M_\odot$, so the observed gap boundary can select among PPISN prescriptions.
Reading between the lines
- I read the discrepancy between the abstract's and Section 4.1's 87 $M_\odot$ and the concluding Section 5's about 91 $M_\odot$ as a summary-level inconsistency; Table C.1 gives 87.01 $M_\odot$ for the non-rotating $\mathrm{[Fe/H]} = -3$ maximum, and that table value is the quantitative claim.
- The 87 $M_\odot$ number is an extrapolation rather than a simulated outcome: the grid contains no star between 80 and 120 $M_\odot$ at $\mathrm{[Fe/H]} = -3$, so the location of the 33 $M_\odot$ carbon-oxygen core threshold rests on a sparse linear fit; a denser grid would directly test it.
- If the claim survives, the pair-instability mass gap becomes a testable demographic: next-generation gravitational-wave detectors should see merging black holes in the 60--90 $M_\odot$ range preferentially from low-metallicity, slowly rotating progenitors, and the measured gap edge would pin down the PPISN threshold.
- The comparison with other PPISN thresholds suggests that part of the scatter in the gap edge is due to the progenitor models themselves, not only the explosion physics, so population-synthesis codes should treat the maximum remnant mass as uncertain by tens of solar masses.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. This paper presents a homogeneous grid of core-collapse supernova simulations using the HYPERION 1D hydrodynamics code, applied to Limongi & Chieffi (2018) progenitor models with metallicities [Fe/H] = 0, -1, -2, -3 and rotation velocities v = 0 and 300 km/s. The explosion is triggered by a thermal bomb calibrated to reproduce SN1987A's ejecta energy and 56Ni mass. The authors derive remnant masses as a function of MZAMS, focusing on the maximum black hole mass, and find that non-rotating [Fe/H] = -3 progenitors can produce BHs up to ~87 M_sun, inside the theoretical pair-instability mass gap. They also compute BH mass distributions from a Kroupa IMF population and provide analytic fitting formulas for the fallback fraction as a function of progenitor properties.
Significance. The paper has several strengths: it uses a homogeneous set of up-to-date stellar models, documents the calibration of the explosion parameters explicitly, and provides tabulated remnant masses and fitting formulas that are directly useful for population-synthesis codes. The lower-mass remnant grid and the systematic exploration of metallicity and rotation are valuable. The principal claim about the maximum BH mass, however, is conditional on an adopted PPISN threshold and an extrapolation beyond the simulated mass grid, and the paper itself shows that alternative thresholds change the maximum by a factor of two. As a result, the 'inside the mass gap' conclusion is not a robust prediction unless the threshold dependence is fully incorporated into the headline.
major comments (3)
- [Section 2.3 / Table C.1 / Section 4.1] The maximum BH mass of ~87 M_sun for non-rotating [Fe/H] = -3 progenitors is not a direct simulation result: it is derived in Section 2.3 from the linear extrapolation in Equations (11)-(12), which uses only the MZAMS = 80 and 120 M_sun grid points, combined with the externally adopted threshold MPPISN_CO = 33 M_sun (Woosley 2017). Section 2.3 admits that the simulation grid constrains the threshold only to 30 < MCO < 50 M_sun, and Section 4.2 shows that adopting MPPISN_CO = 24 M_sun (Spera & Mapelli 2017) or MPPISN_CO = 41 M_sun (Farmer et al. 2019) changes the maximum BH mass to ~53 M_sun or >100 M_sun, respectively. Because the 'inside the pair-instability mass gap' conclusion hinges on this threshold choice and on an unverified extrapolation, the abstract and Section 4.1 should present the maximum BH mass as a range with an explicit caveat rather than as a single value.
- [Section 5 vs Section 4.1 / Table C.1] There is an internal inconsistency in the quoted maximum BH mass for non-rotating [Fe/H] = -3 progenitors: Section 5 states 'The most massive BH has mass of ~91 M_sun', while Section 4.1 quotes ~87.0 M_sun and Table C.1 lists MPPISN_ZAMS = 87.01 M_sun (with MPPISN_preSN = 87.01 M_sun). The origin of the 91 M_sun value should be clarified and the text made consistent, since the reader cannot determine which value is the actual result.
- [Section 4.3 / Figures 19-20] The population-synthesis mass distributions in Section 4.3 sample MZAMS up to 150 M_sun, but the simulated progenitor grid stops at 120 M_sun for non-rotating models and at 60 M_sun for rotating models at [Fe/H] = -2 and -3 (Tables C.2 and C.3). The paper does not state how the remnant-mass relation is continued above the simulated range, so the high-mass end of the distributions in Figures 19 and 20 is based on undocumented extrapolation; this should be stated explicitly, or the IMF range should be restricted to the simulated masses.
minor comments (7)
- [Section 3.1] The sentence 'To illustrate the properties of a typical successful explosion in our simulations, we consider a typical successful explosion looks like in our simulations' is garbled and should be rewritten.
- [Section 2.3] The phrase 'since the liming masses obtained' contains a typo; it should be 'limiting masses'.
- [Figure 2] The y-axis label 'CO Core (M)' should read 'CO Core Mass (M_sun)' with the solar-mass subscript.
- [Table C.3] The caption describes the table as 'non-rotating stellar progenitors', but the table lists rotating models (v = 300 km/s); the caption should be corrected.
- [Table D.3] The first column header reads 'dtinj(M⊙)' but the entries are in seconds; the unit should be corrected to 'dtinj (s)'.
- [Section 4.2] The phrase 'upper mass gap' is potentially confusing; the paper should refer to the 'pair-instability mass gap' throughout.
- [Abstract] The formatting '[Fe/H]=-3' should be '[Fe/H] = -3' with spaces around the equals sign for consistency with the rest of the text.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity: the remnant masses come from independent HYPERION simulations calibrated to SN1987A, and the PPISN-dependent upper end is a transparently disclosed mapping of an external threshold, not a fitted prediction.
full rationale
The core remnant masses are produced by HYPERION explosion simulations of the LC18 progenitor grid, with the thermal-bomb parameters (Einj = 2.0 foe, dminj = 0.1 Msun, dtinj = 0.01 s) calibrated to reproduce the ejecta kinetic energy and 56Ni mass of SN1987A. This is an independent external benchmark, not a fit to the paper's own target remnant-mass relation, so the lower-mass grid and the fitting formulas are self-contained and falsifiable. The only extrapolated portion is the PPISN boundary: Section 2.3 explicitly states that the grid resolution only shows that 80 Msun progenitors are stable and 120 Msun progenitors are unstable, and that the code cannot simulate pair-instability phases. The paper then adopts the external Woosley (2017) threshold MCO_PPISN = 33 Msun and uses a linear fit (Eqs. 11-12, Table C.1) to obtain MZAMS_PPISN ~ 87 Msun for [Fe/H] = -3, v = 0. This is not circular: the threshold is an external physical input, not a parameter fitted to the headline BH mass, and the paper explicitly quantifies the sensitivity by showing that adopting S17 (24 Msun) yields ~53 Msun and F19 (41 Msun) yields >100 Msun (Section 4.2, Figures 17-18). The headline maximum BH is therefore a transparent re-expression of an adopted threshold through the authors' own stellar-evolution grid, with the dependence disclosed rather than hidden. The internal discrepancy between ~87 Msun in Section 4.1 and ~91 Msun in Section 5 for the same quantity is a correctness and robustness concern, not a circularity. Self-citations to LC18 and HYPERION represent normal use of the authors' progenitor models and code; no load-bearing argument reduces to an unverified self-citation chain. Overall, no circular step is identifiable in the paper's derivation chain.
Assumptions & free parameters
free parameters (6)
- Einj (thermal bomb energy) =
2.0 foe
- dminj (thermal bomb mass shell) =
0.1 M_sun
- dtinj (thermal bomb duration) =
0.01 s
- PPISN CO-core threshold =
33 M_sun
- DC classification threshold =
dM/M < 0.10
- Fitting-formula coefficients and thresholds =
aSN=0.26, bSN=-0.11, |Etot|DC=4.17 foe; cSN=0.06, dSN=0.04, Ebind,DC=15.9 foe; eSN=0.06, fSN=-0.03, MCO,DC=17.2 M_sun
assumptions (6)
- domain assumption The LC18 pre-SN stellar models accurately describe the structure and composition of massive stars across mass, metallicity and rotation.
- ad hoc to paper A thermal bomb can reproduce the essential explosion dynamics and fallback relevant for remnant masses.
- domain assumption SN1987A is a valid calibration target for all progenitors in the grid.
- ad hoc to paper Woosley 2017 PPISN remnant masses can be applied to LC18 CO cores above 33 M_sun.
- domain assumption One-dimensional spherical hydrodynamics is sufficient to determine fallback and final remnant mass.
- ad hoc to paper The linear relation between MCO and MZAMS from a sparse grid can be extrapolated to locate the PPISN threshold.
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of The initial mass-remnant mass relation for core collapse supernovae." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/FLFTL6LL
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author = {Pith},
title = {Pith review of: The initial mass-remnant mass relation for core collapse supernovae},
year = {2026},
howpublished = {\url{https://pith.science/paper/FLFTL6LL}},
note = {Machine review of arXiv:2501.18689}
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abstract
The first direct detection of gravitational waves in 2015 marked the beginning of a new era for the study of compact objects. Upcoming detectors, such as the Einstein Telescope, are expected to add thousands of binary coalescences to the list. However, from a theoretical perspective, our understanding of compact objects is hindered by many uncertainties, and a comprehensive study of the nature of stellar remnants from core-collapse supernovae is still lacking. In this work, we investigate the properties of stellar remnants using a homogeneous grid of rotating and non-rotating massive stars at various metallicities from Limongi and Chieffi 2018. We simulate the supernova explosion of the evolved progenitors using the HYdrodynamic Ppm Explosion with Radiation diffusION (HYPERION) code (Limongi and Chieffi 2020), assuming a thermal bomb model calibrated to match the main properties of SN1987A. We find that the heaviest black hole that can form depends on the initial stellar rotation, metallicity, and the assumed criterion for the onset of pulsational pair-instability supernovae. Non-rotating progenitors at $\big[\rm Fe/H \big]=-3$ can form black holes up to $\sim 87 M_\odot$, falling within the theorized pair-instability mass gap. Conversely, enhanced wind mass loss prevents the formation of BHs more massive than $\sim 41.6 M_\odot$ from rotating progenitors. We use our results to study the black hole mass distribution from a population of $10^6$ isolated massive stars following a Kroupa initial mass function. Finally, we provide fitting formulas to compute the mass of compact remnants as a function of stellar progenitor properties. Our up-to-date prescriptions can be easily implemented in rapid population synthesis codes.
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