Triangles in graphs without the expansion of 4-cycle
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The pith
The expansion of the 4-cycle is the only counterexample to a conjecture on the maximum number of triangles in graphs avoiding expanded paths and cycles.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The paper shows that the conjectured upper bound on the number of triangles holds in graphs that avoid the expansion of any path of length at least 4 or any cycle of length at least 5, but fails when the forbidden structure is the expansion of the 4-cycle; the latter is therefore the unique counterexample among all the cases considered.
What carries the argument
The expansion F^Δ of a graph F, formed by replacing each edge of F with a triangle, serving as the forbidden subgraph whose avoidance controls the maximum triangle count.
Load-bearing premise
The conjecture is correct for the expansions of all paths of length at least 4 and all cycles of length at least 5.
What would settle it
A graph that avoids the expansion of the 4-cycle yet contains strictly fewer triangles than the largest number achieved by any such graph, or an additional expanded path or cycle that also exceeds the conjectured bound.
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The expansion $F^{\triangle}$ of a graph $F$ is the graph obtained from $F$ by replacing each edge with a triangle. Lv \etal proposed a conjecture on the maximum number of triangles in a graph without $P_k^{\triangle}$ or $C_k^{\triangle}$ for every $k \ge 4$. Their conjecture was confirmed in previous work for $P_k^{\triangle}$ when $k \ge 4$ and $C_k^{\triangle}$ when $k \ge 5$. In this note, we resolve the remaining case $C_4^{\triangle}$, demonstrating that this is the only counterexample to their conjecture.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript resolves the final open case of the Lv et al. conjecture on the maximum number of triangles in graphs forbidding the triangle-expansion F^Δ. It treats the case F = C_4, proves the extremal bound for C_4^Δ-free graphs, and concludes that C_4^Δ is the unique counterexample among all P_k^Δ (k ≥ 4) and C_k^Δ (k ≥ 5).
Significance. If the new C_4^Δ analysis is correct, the note completes the verification of the conjecture, giving a clean classification of the extremal function ex(n, F^Δ, K_3) for all paths and cycles of length at least 4. The work relies on the standard definition of F^Δ and on previously established cases; its value lies in closing the last gap rather than in introducing new machinery.
major comments (2)
- [§2] §2 (main theorem statement): the claim that C_4^Δ is the 'only counterexample' rests on the validity of the cited results for P_k^Δ (k≥4) and C_k^Δ (k≥5). A short paragraph summarizing the precise bounds obtained in those papers would make the 'only' qualifier self-contained and easier to verify.
- [§3] §3 (proof of the C_4^Δ bound): the triangle-counting argument appears to use the standard edge-triangle incidence counting; confirm that the extremal construction achieving the bound is explicitly exhibited and that no larger construction is possible under the C_4^Δ-free condition.
minor comments (2)
- [Introduction] Notation: ensure that the expansion operator ^Δ is defined at first use and that the conjecture statement is restated verbatim before the new result is announced.
- [References] References: add the full bibliographic details for the prior papers on P_k^Δ and C_k^Δ so that readers can locate the exact statements being invoked.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
Thank you for the referee's positive evaluation and helpful suggestions. We respond to the major comments below.
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Referee: [§2] §2 (main theorem statement): the claim that C_4^Δ is the 'only counterexample' rests on the validity of the cited results for P_k^Δ (k≥4) and C_k^Δ (k≥5). A short paragraph summarizing the precise bounds obtained in those papers would make the 'only' qualifier self-contained and easier to verify.
Authors: We agree that this would improve the readability. In the revised manuscript, we will insert a short paragraph in §2 that recalls the precise extremal bounds from the cited papers on P_k^Δ and C_k^Δ (k≥5). This will make the uniqueness claim self-contained without requiring the reader to consult the references for the exact statements. revision: yes
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Referee: [§3] §3 (proof of the C_4^Δ bound): the triangle-counting argument appears to use the standard edge-triangle incidence counting; confirm that the extremal construction achieving the bound is explicitly exhibited and that no larger construction is possible under the C_4^Δ-free condition.
Authors: The extremal construction is explicitly exhibited in §3 of the manuscript. The proof uses standard edge-triangle incidence counting to establish the upper bound on the number of triangles in a C_4^Δ-free graph. We show that the exhibited construction achieves this bound and that the counting argument implies no C_4^Δ-free graph can have more triangles. revision: no
Circularity Check
No circularity; new case resolved independently with external priors
full rationale
The paper's core contribution is a direct resolution of the C_4^Δ case via a new argument establishing the triangle bound in C_4^Δ-free graphs. The claim that this is the sole counterexample to the Lv et al. conjecture is assembled by combining the new result with separately cited prior confirmations for all other cases (P_k^Δ k≥4 and C_k^Δ k≥5). No equations or definitions in the note reduce the new bound to a fit or to a self-referential construction; the priors are treated as external literature results rather than re-derived or self-cited load-bearing steps within this manuscript. This is standard mathematical practice and does not constitute circularity under the specified criteria.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- standard math The expansion F^Δ of a graph F is obtained by replacing each edge with a triangle.
Lean theorems connected to this paper
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/RealityFromDistinction.leanreality_from_one_distinction unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
We resolve the remaining case C4^Δ, demonstrating that this is the only counterexample to their conjecture.
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IndisputableMonolith/Cost/FunctionalEquation.leanwashburn_uniqueness_aczel unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
ex(n,K3,C4^Δ)=N(K3,S=(n)) with stability via Lemma 2.3
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