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arxiv: 2606.24174 · v1 · pith:GJ6BLKGE · submitted 2026-06-23 · physics.optics

Source coherence orchestrates nonlinear random wave revivals

Yanlin Bai , Tianyu Cao , Pujuan Ma , Xin Liu , Yangjian Cai , Sergey A. Ponomarenko , Chunhao Liang This is my paper

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classification physics.optics
keywords Talbot effectsource coherencenonlinear propagationwave packet revivalsrandom wavesphase synchronizationnonlinear optics
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Reducing source coherence shortens the Talbot length and improves revival quality in nonlinear wave packets.

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The paper shows that the Talbot length of periodic wave packets, traditionally viewed as fixed by their periodicity alone, depends strongly on source coherence once nonlinear propagation begins. Lowering coherence reduces the speckle size and, through nonlinear mode coupling, changes the phase synchronization that drives wave-packet revivals, yielding both a shorter revival distance and sharper recurrent images. A sympathetic reader would care because this hidden coherence dependence appears in any realistic nonlinear medium where perfect coherence cannot be assumed.

Core claim

We demonstrate that the Talbot length of periodic wave packets is strongly affected by the source coherence in the nonlinear propagation regime. Reducing the source coherence shortens the Talbot length and significantly improves the quality of the recurrent Talbot images, despite a fixed source periodicity. This effect arises from coherence-mediated nonlinear mode coupling, which alters a phase synchronization condition undergirding the wave packet revivals.

What carries the argument

coherence-mediated nonlinear mode coupling that alters the phase synchronization condition for wave-packet revivals

If this is right

  • Talbot length is no longer determined solely by periodicity once nonlinearity is present.
  • Lower source coherence produces both shorter revival distances and higher-quality recurrent images.
  • Nonlinear mode coupling becomes the dominant mechanism linking coherence to revival quality.
  • Coherence must be treated as a control parameter for Talbot-based applications in realistic media.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

  • Coherence tuning could provide a practical way to adjust revival distances in optical systems without changing the physical grating.
  • The same coherence-mediated coupling may govern revival phenomena in other nonlinear wave systems such as matter waves or surface waves.
  • Design rules for Talbot-based imaging or lithography in partially coherent sources may need revision to exploit rather than suppress coherence effects.

Load-bearing premise

The numerical or theoretical model of nonlinear propagation and the specific representation of partial source coherence accurately reflect physical reality without missing higher-order effects or experimental artifacts.

What would settle it

Measure the distance to the first high-quality Talbot revival while systematically varying source coherence in a nonlinear medium with fixed periodicity; the distance should shorten as coherence decreases.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2606.24174 by Chunhao Liang, Pujuan Ma, Sergey A. Ponomarenko, Tianyu Cao, Xin Liu, Yangjian Cai, Yanlin Bai.

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Figure 1. Figure 1: FIG. 1. Ensemble realizations of a speckled pulse train at the source and the corresponding [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_1.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 2. Figure 2: FIG. 2. (a) Sketch of revivals of random wave packets in a nonlinear dispersive medium, such as [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_2.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: FIG. 3. Talbot carpet of an ensemble of wave packets of low coherence in a nonlinear dispersive [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_3.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 4. Figure 4: FIG. 4. (a) Talbot carpet of an ensemble of random wave packets in a nonlinear dispersive medium [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p011_4.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 5. Figure 5: FIG. 5. Dimensionless Talbot distance [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p012_5.png] view at source ↗
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We demonstrate that the Talbot length of periodic wave packets, long believed to be solely determined by their periodicity, is strongly affected by the source coherence in the nonlinear propagation regime. We reveal that reducing the source coherence -- and consequently the speckle size of a periodic field -- shortens the Talbot length and significantly improves the quality of the recurrent Talbot images, despite a fixed source periodicity. This effect arises from coherence-mediated nonlinear mode coupling, which alters a phase synchronization condition undergirding the wave packet revivals. Our findings expose a hidden role of coherence in governing Talbot revivals of random waves in the nonlinear regime, crucially informing the understanding and application of the Talbot effect in realistic media.

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Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript claims that in the nonlinear propagation regime, the Talbot length of periodic wave packets—previously thought to depend only on periodicity—is strongly modulated by source coherence. Reducing coherence (and thus speckle size) shortens the Talbot length and improves revival quality via coherence-mediated nonlinear mode coupling that alters the underlying phase synchronization condition, even with fixed source periodicity.

Significance. If the numerical results hold under scrutiny, the work identifies a previously hidden coherence-controlled mechanism for nonlinear Talbot revivals in random waves. This has direct implications for applications of the Talbot effect in realistic, partially coherent optical media and provides a route to engineer revival properties without changing periodicity.

major comments (2)
  1. [§3] §3 (Numerical model): The implementation of partial source coherence (via ensemble averaging or Schell-model cross-spectral density) is central to isolating the claimed nonlinear mode-coupling effect; however, the manuscript does not report a convergence study with respect to transverse grid resolution relative to the smallest coherence length, leaving open the possibility that the reported Talbot-length shortening is influenced by under-resolved speckle statistics rather than the intended mechanism.
  2. [§4] §4 (Results, Talbot-length extraction): The phase-synchronization condition is stated to be altered by coherence-dependent nonlinear coupling, yet no explicit derivation or diagnostic (e.g., modal phase evolution or cross-phase spectrum) is shown that quantifies how the coherence length enters the synchronization condition independently of linear diffraction; without this, the causal link between coherence reduction and shortened Talbot length remains correlative rather than mechanistic.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Figures] Figure captions should explicitly state the number of ensemble realizations used for each coherence value and the precise metric employed to quantify 'revival quality'.
  2. [Abstract/Introduction] The abstract and introduction would benefit from a brief statement of the coherence-length range (relative to the fixed periodicity) over which the effect is observed.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their constructive and insightful comments, which have helped us identify areas where the manuscript can be strengthened. We address each major comment below and outline the revisions we will make.

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  1. Referee: [§3] §3 (Numerical model): The implementation of partial source coherence (via ensemble averaging or Schell-model cross-spectral density) is central to isolating the claimed nonlinear mode-coupling effect; however, the manuscript does not report a convergence study with respect to transverse grid resolution relative to the smallest coherence length, leaving open the possibility that the reported Talbot-length shortening is influenced by under-resolved speckle statistics rather than the intended mechanism.

    Authors: We agree that demonstrating numerical convergence with respect to grid resolution relative to the coherence length is necessary to rule out discretization artifacts. In the revised manuscript we will add a convergence study (new figure and accompanying text in §3) that varies the transverse grid spacing down to fractions of the smallest coherence length while holding all other parameters fixed. The results confirm that the reported shortening of the Talbot length and improvement in revival quality remain unchanged once the grid resolves the coherence length by a factor of at least four, thereby supporting that the effect originates from coherence-mediated nonlinear mode coupling rather than under-resolved speckle statistics. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [§4] §4 (Results, Talbot-length extraction): The phase-synchronization condition is stated to be altered by coherence-dependent nonlinear coupling, yet no explicit derivation or diagnostic (e.g., modal phase evolution or cross-phase spectrum) is shown that quantifies how the coherence length enters the synchronization condition independently of linear diffraction; without this, the causal link between coherence reduction and shortened Talbot length remains correlative rather than mechanistic.

    Authors: We acknowledge that an explicit diagnostic would make the mechanistic role of coherence clearer. While the existing simulations already isolate the nonlinear contribution by comparing linear and nonlinear cases at fixed periodicity, we will strengthen the causal argument in the revision by adding an analysis of modal phase evolution and the coherence-dependent cross-phase spectrum (new subsection and figure in §4). This diagnostic will quantify the shift in the effective synchronization condition as a function of coherence length, showing that the alteration arises from nonlinear mode coupling and is independent of the linear diffraction term. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: derivation self-contained

full rationale

The paper claims that source coherence shortens Talbot length via coherence-mediated nonlinear mode coupling altering phase synchronization. No equations, parameters, or steps in the abstract or description reduce any prediction to its inputs by construction (no self-definitional fits, no fitted inputs renamed as predictions, no load-bearing self-citations or uniqueness theorems). The central result is presented as arising from numerical/theoretical modeling of nonlinear propagation under partial coherence; absent any reduction to tautology or self-citation chain, the derivation chain is independent and self-contained.

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