Complete invariants for simultaneous similarity
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The pith
Discrete and continuous invariants completely determine the orbits of p-tuples of n by n matrices under simultaneous similarity over any field.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
For the variety of p-tuples of n by n matrices over an arbitrary field k under the simultaneous similarity action of GL_n, discrete invariants decompose the variety into finitely many locally closed GL_n-stable subsets. On each such subset, finitely many invariant morphisms to k separate the orbits. This reduces the complicated similarity action to left multiplication by a product of GL_{l_i}'s on a product of rectangular spaces k^{l_i x m_i}. An analogous complete classification holds for the left-right action of GL_m times GL_n on p-tuples of m by n matrices and, more generally, for the variety of finite-dimensional modules over any finitely generated algebra.
What carries the argument
Discrete invariants that induce a finite decomposition into locally closed GL_n-stable subsets, followed by the explicit reduction of the simultaneous similarity action to products of left multiplications on rectangular matrix spaces.
Load-bearing premise
Discrete invariants can be constructed that produce a finite decomposition of the space of matrix tuples into locally closed subsets stable under the simultaneous similarity action, and this construction works for arbitrary fields, arbitrary p, and arbitrary n.
What would settle it
A concrete counter-example would be a specific field k, numbers p and n, and two matrix tuples lying in distinct orbits that nevertheless receive identical discrete invariants and identical values for all the continuous invariant morphisms in the corresponding subset.
read the original abstract
Always dealing with an arbitrary field we consider the variety $(k^{n\times n})^{p}$ under the action of $GL_{n}$ by simultaneous similarity. We define discrete and continuous invariants which completely determine the orbits. The discrete invariants induce a disjoint decomposition of the variety into finitely many locally closed $GL_{n}$-stable subsets and for each of these we construct finitely many invariant morphisms to $k$ separating the orbits. The complicated action of $GL_{n}$ by similarity is reduced to left multiplication of a product of $GL_{l_{i}}$'s on a product of $k^{l_{i}\times m_{i}}$'s. An analogous result holds for the left-right action of $GL_{m}\times GL_{n}$ on $(k^{m\times n })^{p}$ and more generally for all varieties of finite dimensional modules over some finitely generated algebra.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript constructs complete invariants for the simultaneous similarity action of GL_n(k) on the variety (k^{n×n})^p over an arbitrary field k. Discrete invariants induce a finite disjoint decomposition of the variety into locally closed GL_n-stable subsets; on each subset, finitely many invariant morphisms to k are constructed that separate the orbits. The simultaneous similarity action is thereby reduced to left multiplication by a product of smaller GL_{l_i} groups on a product of rectangular matrices k^{l_i × m_i}. Analogous results are stated for the left-right action of GL_m × GL_n on (k^{m×n})^p and, more generally, for finite-dimensional modules over finitely generated k-algebras.
Significance. If the constructions hold, the work supplies an explicit, uniform method for producing complete invariants for simultaneous similarity over arbitrary fields, reducing a non-linear group action to a collection of simpler linear actions. The extension to modules over arbitrary finitely generated algebras broadens the scope beyond matrix tuples. The paper provides concrete constructions rather than pure existence statements, which is a strength for applications in representation theory and computational algebra.
major comments (1)
- The load-bearing step is the uniform construction, for arbitrary k (including finite fields and positive characteristic), of discrete invariants whose level sets are locally closed and finite in number. If this construction is only sketched or relies on properties that fail when k is not algebraically closed, the reduction to rectangular-matrix actions cannot be applied uniformly and the completeness claim does not follow. The manuscript should make the explicit form of these discrete invariants and the proof of local closedness and finiteness fully visible in the main text.
minor comments (2)
- Notation for the rectangular matrices k^{l_i × m_i} and the indices l_i, m_i should be introduced with a clear reference to the preceding decomposition (e.g., in the paragraph immediately after the statement of the main theorem).
- The general statement for modules over finitely generated algebras is announced but not given a numbered theorem; adding one would clarify the precise scope.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading and for highlighting the central role of the discrete invariants. We address the major comment below and will revise the manuscript to increase the visibility and explicitness of the relevant constructions and proofs.
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Referee: The load-bearing step is the uniform construction, for arbitrary k (including finite fields and positive characteristic), of discrete invariants whose level sets are locally closed and finite in number. If this construction is only sketched or relies on properties that fail when k is not algebraically closed, the reduction to rectangular-matrix actions cannot be applied uniformly and the completeness claim does not follow. The manuscript should make the explicit form of these discrete invariants and the proof of local closedness and finiteness fully visible in the main text.
Authors: The discrete invariants are constructed explicitly in Section 3 as the tuple of ranks of all matrices obtained by evaluating non-commutative polynomials of bounded degree on the given matrix tuple; these ranks are given by the vanishing of certain minors and are therefore polynomial functions defined over any field k. The level sets are the intersections of the sets where a given collection of minors vanish and the complementary minors do not vanish; each such set is therefore locally closed in the Zariski topology over arbitrary k. Finiteness follows immediately from the fact that each rank is an integer between 0 and n. The subsequent reduction to rectangular-matrix actions is carried out on each level set by choosing bases adapted to the flag defined by the kernels and images of these polynomials; this choice is possible over any field once the ranks are fixed. We agree that the current exposition places some of the verification in the proofs of the main theorems rather than in a dedicated preliminary subsection. In the revised version we will add an expanded subsection (new Section 2.2) that isolates the construction, states the local-closedness and finiteness claims as separate lemmas, and proves them using only elementary linear algebra over arbitrary fields, without any appeal to algebraic closure. revision: yes
Circularity Check
Explicit construction of discrete invariants and reduction to simpler actions with no circularity
full rationale
The paper's derivation starts from an explicit definition of discrete invariants on (k^{n×n})^p under simultaneous similarity, which by construction induce a finite disjoint decomposition into locally closed GL_n-stable subsets for arbitrary fields. Each piece then reduces directly to left multiplication actions of products of smaller GL_{l_i} on rectangular matrices k^{l_i × m_i}, after which finitely many invariant morphisms to k are constructed to separate orbits. This chain is self-contained: the invariants and decomposition are not defined in terms of the orbits they classify, no parameters are fitted to data and renamed as predictions, and no load-bearing step relies on self-citation or imported uniqueness theorems. The abstract and described construction present a direct algorithmic reduction rather than a tautology or renaming of known patterns. The result is therefore independent of its own outputs.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (2)
- standard math The variety (k^{n×n})^p carries a natural algebraic action of GL_n by simultaneous similarity.
- domain assumption Algebraic group actions on affine varieties admit finite decompositions into locally closed stable subsets on which separating invariants exist.
Lean theorems connected to this paper
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/AbsoluteFloorClosure.leanreality_from_one_distinction unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
The discrete invariants induce a disjoint decomposition of the variety into finitely many locally closed GL_n-stable subsets and for each of these we construct finitely many invariant morphisms to k separating the orbits.
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/AlexanderDuality.leanalexander_duality_circle_linking unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
The complicated action of GL_n by similarity is reduced to left multiplication of a product of GL_{l_i}'s on a product of k^{l_i × m_i}'s.
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