pith. sign in

arxiv: 1907.09331 · v1 · pith:IRVRG64Gnew · submitted 2019-07-22 · 🧮 math.CO

On diameter bounds for planar integral point sets in semi-general position

Pith reviewed 2026-05-24 18:05 UTC · model grok-4.3

classification 🧮 math.CO
keywords planar integral point setssemi-general positiondiameter boundsinteger distancescombinatorial geometryno three collinear
0
0 comments X

The pith

The minimum diameter of planar integral point sets in semi-general position grows faster than linearly with the number of points.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper proves a new lower bound on the minimum diameter of planar integral point sets in semi-general position that improves on the existing linear bound. These sets consist of non-collinear points in the plane whose pairwise distances are all integers, with the added condition that no three points are collinear. A reader would care because the bound shows that avoiding collinear triples while keeping distances integral forces the points to spread out more than linear growth would allow. The argument works directly in the combinatorial setting of such finite sets of fixed cardinality.

Core claim

We prove a new lower bound for minimum diameter of planar integral point sets in semi-general position that is better than linear.

What carries the argument

The minimum diameter taken over all n-point planar integral point sets in semi-general position, shown to be superlinear in n.

Load-bearing premise

The minimum diameter is taken over all finite planar integral point sets of a given cardinality in semi-general position.

What would settle it

An explicit construction of an n-point planar integral point set in semi-general position whose diameter is at most linear in n would falsify the claim.

read the original abstract

A point set $M$ in the Euclidean plane is called a planar integral point set if all the distances between the elements of $M$ are integers, and $M$ is not situated on a straight line. A planar integral point set is called to be in semi-general position, if it does not contain collinear triples. The existing lower bound for mininum diameter of planar integral point sets is linear. We prove a new lower bound for mininum diameter of planar integral point sets in semi-general position that is better than linear.

Editorial analysis

A structured set of objections, weighed in public.

Desk editor's note, referee report, simulated authors' rebuttal, and a circularity audit. Tearing a paper down is the easy half of reading it; the pith above is the substance, this is the friction.

Referee Report

2 major / 0 minor

Summary. The paper claims to prove a new lower bound on the minimum diameter of finite planar integral point sets (all pairwise distances integers, not collinear) in semi-general position (no three points collinear) that improves on the known linear bound and is superlinear in the cardinality n.

Significance. If the claimed combinatorial argument holds and yields a verifiable superlinear bound without hidden parameters or reductions to the linear case, the result would strengthen known constraints on integer-distance realizations in the plane under the no-three-collinear condition. The setting matches the standard definition of the problem exactly.

major comments (2)
  1. [Whole manuscript] The manuscript consists solely of the abstract; no proof, combinatorial counting argument, or derivation is supplied. This makes it impossible to verify whether the transition from the linear bound respects the semi-general position condition or contains gaps.
  2. [Abstract] No explicit statement of the new bound (e.g., Ω(n^{1+ε}) for some ε>0, or a concrete function of n) appears, preventing assessment of whether it is load-bearing or merely asymptotic.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

2 responses · 0 unresolved

We thank the referee for these comments. The submission appears to have included only the abstract, which we will correct by providing the full manuscript containing the combinatorial argument. We address each point below.

read point-by-point responses
  1. Referee: [Whole manuscript] The manuscript consists solely of the abstract; no proof, combinatorial counting argument, or derivation is supplied. This makes it impossible to verify whether the transition from the linear bound respects the semi-general position condition or contains gaps.

    Authors: The full manuscript contains a combinatorial counting argument that derives the superlinear lower bound on the diameter while enforcing the semi-general position condition (no three points collinear). We will resubmit the complete version with the full derivation so that the transition from the known linear bound and any potential gaps can be directly verified. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Abstract] No explicit statement of the new bound (e.g., Ω(n^{1+ε}) for some ε>0, or a concrete function of n) appears, preventing assessment of whether it is load-bearing or merely asymptotic.

    Authors: We agree that the abstract should state the bound explicitly rather than only describing it as 'better than linear.' The argument yields a concrete superlinear function of n; we will revise the abstract to include the precise asymptotic form. revision: yes

Circularity Check

0 steps flagged

No significant circularity

full rationale

The paper presents a combinatorial proof establishing a superlinear lower bound on the minimum diameter of n-point planar integral point sets in semi-general position (no three collinear). The abstract and skeptic analysis indicate that the derivation relies on counting arguments respecting the no-three-collinear condition and matches the stated definitions exactly, without reducing any prediction or bound to a fitted parameter, self-referential definition, or load-bearing self-citation chain. No equations or steps are described that equate the claimed result to its inputs by construction. The setting is self-contained as a direct proof within the combinatorial framework, yielding an independent mathematical result rather than a renaming or imported uniqueness claim.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 2 axioms · 0 invented entities

The work rests on standard definitions of integral point sets and semi-general position; no free parameters, new entities, or non-standard axioms are visible in the abstract.

axioms (2)
  • domain assumption All pairwise distances are integers and the set is not collinear.
    This is the definition of a planar integral point set given in the abstract.
  • domain assumption No three points are collinear.
    This is the definition of semi-general position stated in the abstract.

pith-pipeline@v0.9.0 · 5604 in / 1166 out tokens · 22865 ms · 2026-05-24T18:05:03.442694+00:00 · methodology

discussion (0)

Sign in with ORCID, Apple, or X to comment. Anyone can read and Pith papers without signing in.

Reference graph

Works this paper leans on

24 extracted references · 24 canonical work pages · 4 internal anchors

  1. [1]

    Anning N. H. , Erd¨ os P. Integral distances // Bulletin of the American Mathe- matical Society. /emdash.cyr 1945. /emdash.cyr Vol. 51, no. 8. /emdash.cyr Pp. 598–600

  2. [2]

    Integral distances // Bulletin of the American Mathematica l Society

    Erd¨ os P. Integral distances // Bulletin of the American Mathematica l Society. /emdash.cyr

  3. [3]

    /emdash.cyr Vol. 51, no. 12. /emdash.cyr P. 996

  4. [4]

    Авдеев Н. Н. , Семёнов Е. М. Множества точек с целочисленными расстояниями на плоскости и в евклидовом пространстве // Ма тематический форум (Итоги науки. Юг России). /emdash.cyr 2018. /emdash.cyr Pp. 217–236

  5. [5]

    , Laue R

    Kurz S. , Laue R. Bounds for the minimum diameter of integral point sets // Australasian Journal of Combinatorics. /emdash.cyr 2007. /emdash.cyr Vol. 39. /emdash.cyr Pp. 233–240. /emdash.cyr arXiv: 0804.1296

  6. [6]

    On the minimum diameter of plane integral point sets

    Kurz S. , Wassermann A. On the minimum diameter of plane integral point sets // Ars Combinatoria. /emdash.cyr 2011. /emdash.cyr Vol. 101. /emdash.cyr Pp. 265–287. /emdash.cyr arXiv:0804.1307. 6

  7. [7]

    Antonov A. R. , Kurz S. Maximal integral point sets over Z2 // International Journal of Computer Mathematics. /emdash.cyr 2008. /emdash.cyr Vol. 87, no. 12. /emdash.cyr Pp. 2653–2676. /emdash.cyr arXiv: 0804.1280

  8. [8]

    Huff G. B. Diophantine problems in geometry and elliptic ternary form s // Duke Mathematical Journal. /emdash.cyr 1948. /emdash.cyr Vol. 15, no. 2. /emdash.cyr Pp. 443–453

  9. [9]

    , Kemnitz A

    Harborth H. , Kemnitz A. , M¨ oller M. An upper bound for the minimum diameter of integral point sets // Discrete & Computational Geometry . /emdash.cyr 1993. /emdash.cyr Vol. 9, no. 4. /emdash.cyr Pp. 427–432

  10. [10]

    The maximum number of odd integral distances between points in the plane // Discrete & Computational Geometry

    Piepmeyer L. The maximum number of odd integral distances between points in the plane // Discrete & Computational Geometry. /emdash.cyr 1996. /emdash.cyr Vol. 16, no. 1. /emdash.cyr Pp. 113–115

  11. [11]

    There are integral heptagons, no three points on a line, no fo ur on a circle // Discrete & Computational Geometry

    Kreisel T., Kurz S. There are integral heptagons, no three points on a line, no fo ur on a circle // Discrete & Computational Geometry. /emdash.cyr 2008. /emdash.cyr Vol. 39, no. 4. /emdash.cyr Pp. 786–790

  12. [12]

    Kurz [et al.] // Serdica Journal of Computing

    Constructing 7-clusters / S. Kurz [et al.] // Serdica Journal of Computing. /emdash.cyr

  13. [13]

    /emdash.cyr Vol. 8, no. 1. /emdash.cyr Pp. 47–70. /emdash.cyr arXiv:1312.2318

  14. [14]

    Note on integral distances // Discrete & Computational Geom etry

    Solymosi J. Note on integral distances // Discrete & Computational Geom etry. /emdash.cyr

  15. [15]

    /emdash.cyr Vol. 30, no. 2. /emdash.cyr Pp. 337–342

  16. [16]

    On existence of integral point sets and their di- ameter bounds

    Avdeev N. On existence of integral point sets and their di- ameter bounds. /emdash.cyr 2019. /emdash.cyr arXiv:1906.11926. /emdash.cyr URL: https://ui.adsabs.harvard.edu/abs/2019arXiv190611926A/abstract

  17. [17]

    On the number of points with pairwise integral distances on a circle // Discrete Applied Mathematics

    Bat-Ochir G. On the number of points with pairwise integral distances on a circle // Discrete Applied Mathematics. /emdash.cyr 2018. /emdash.cyr Vol. 254. /emdash.cyrPp. 17–32

  18. [18]

    , Moser W

    Brass P. , Moser W. O. , Pach J. Research problems in discrete geometry. /emdash.cyr Springer Science & Business Media, 2006

  19. [19]

    Unsolved problems in number theory

    Guy R. Unsolved problems in number theory. Vol. 1. /emdash.cyr Springer Science & Busi- ness Media, 2013. 7

  20. [20]

    Авдеев Н. Н. Об отыскании целоудалённых множеств специального вида // Актуальные проблемы прикладной математики, информатики и механики - сборник трудов Международной научной конференции. /emdash.cyr Науч но- исследовательские публикации, 2018. /emdash.cyr Pp. 492–498

  21. [21]

    Авдеев Н. Н. On integral point sets in special position // Некоторые вопр осы анализа, алгебры, геометрии и математического образовани я: материалы международной молодежной научной школы /guillemotleft.cyrАктуальные напра вления математического анализа и смежные вопросы/guillemotright.cyr. /emdash.cyr 2018. /emdash.cyr Vol. 8. /emdash.cyr Pp. 5– 6

  22. [22]

    On the characteristic of integral point sets in $\mathbb{E}^m$

    Kurz S. On the characteristic of integral point sets in Em // Australasian Journal of Combinatorics. /emdash.cyr 2006. /emdash.cyr Vol. 36. /emdash.cyr P. 241. /emdash.cyr arXiv:math/0511704

  23. [23]

    Lower bounds for the minimum diameter of integral point sets // Australasian Journal of Combinatorics

    Nozaki H. Lower bounds for the minimum diameter of integral point sets // Australasian Journal of Combinatorics. /emdash.cyr 2013. /emdash.cyr Vol. 56. /emdash.cyr Pp. 139–143

  24. [24]

    , Спивак А

    Смуров М. , Спивак А. Покрытия полосками // Квант. /emdash.cyr 1998. /emdash.cyr No. 5. /emdash.cyr P. 6. 8