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Vari\'et\'es r\'eelles connexes non stablement rationnelles
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Pith's one-line read This paper constructs the first smooth intersections of two quadrics in $\mathbb{P}^5$ and smooth cubic hypersurfaces in $\mathbb{P}^4$ over the field of real Puiseux series that are not stably rational even though their real point spaces…
desk verdict A strong paper: first stable non-rationality examples with connected real locus over real Puiseux series, built on a clean semialgebraic connectedness criterion and a flexible specialization method. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing mechanism is a two-step transfer from a singular real model to a smooth Puiseux variety. The connectedness step states that for a projective flat family over $\mathbb{A}^1_R$ with smooth generic fiber, if the special fiber's real points are smooth and connected, then the real Puiseux points of the generic fiber are semi-algebraically connected; the proof uses a Nash triviality theorem for proper semi-algebraic submersions or a real etale base change theorem. The irrationality step is a specialization method for zero-cycles: given a geometric Brauer obstruction on the singular fiber, one obtains a nonzero class in $A_0$ of the generic fiber of a deformation, provided the relevant norm homomorphism on Chow groups is an isomorphism, a condition that holds when the singular locus is finite and defined over $\mathbb{C}$, and more generally under a fiberwise $\mathrm{CH}_0$-triviality hypothesis. The Brauer class is supplied by residue computations on explicit singular models, and in higher dimension by degree-three unramified cohomology classes detected through injectivity results for quadratic forms.
What would settle it
Choose explicit $q_1,q_2$ in the two-quadric deformation of Theorem 3.6 with $\det(q_1+tq_2)$ separable, and compute the specialization map on zero-cycles from the Puiseux generic fiber to the singular fiber $Y$; if the difference between the generic point and a constant $R$-point maps to zero in $\mathrm{CH}_0(Y_{R(Y)})$, then $X$ is $\mathrm{CH}_0$-trivial and the theorem's conclusion fails for that example.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The paper's central claim is that smooth complete intersections of two quadrics in $\mathbb{P}^5_{R\{\{t\}\}}$ and smooth cubic hypersurfaces in $\mathbb{P}^4_{R\{\{t\}\}}$ constructed as the Puiseux fibers of deformations of suitable singular real models are not $\mathrm{CH}_0$-trivial, hence not stably rational, although their real point sets are semi-algebraically connected. The proof has two halves. A semi-algebraic triviality theorem for proper smooth families shows that when the special fiber's real points are smooth and connected, the Puiseux fiber's real points are semi-algebraically connected, via either Nash triviality or real etale base change. A specialization theorem transfers a nonzero unramified Brauer class on the singular special fiber into a nonzero class in $A_0(X\times_{R\{\{t\}\}}K(X))$, using a standard pairing between zero-cycles and unramified cohomology; this rules out $\mathrm{CH}_0$-triviality. Higher-dimensional analogues replace the Brauer group by degree-three unramified cohomology and require an explicit resolution of singularities.
Load-bearing premise
The construction depends on the singular special fiber $Y$ possessing an unramified Brauer class that does not come from the base field and that survives the deformation to the generic fiber; if that class vanished, the examples could be $\mathrm{CH}_0$-trivial even though their real loci are connected.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- Semi-algebraic connectedness of the real locus does not imply stable rationality over the real Puiseux series field, even for smooth intersections of two quadrics in $\mathbb{P}^5$ and smooth cubic threefolds in $\mathbb{P}^4$.
- The constructed varieties fail to be retractively rational, not just stably rational, because $\mathrm{CH}_0$-triviality is necessary for both.
- The same deformation method yields smooth quadric-surface fibrations over $\mathbb{P}^1$ with integral geometric fibers, geometrically rational conic bundles over $\mathbb{P}^2$, and higher-dimensional quadric fibrations and intersections of two quadrics in $\mathbb{P}^9$ with connected real loci and non-$\mathrm{CH}_0$-triviality.
- Several of the smooth examples have low-degree unramified cohomology equal to that of the base field, so those invariants alone cannot detect the failure of stable rationality; the Chow group of zero-cycles is the discriminating invariant.
- The question over the ordinary real numbers $\mathbb{R}$ remains open.
Reading between the lines
- A natural next test is whether the same template can be run over $\mathbb{R}$ itself: one would need a one-parameter real family whose generic real fibers are all connected, rather than the infinitesimal Puiseux parameter, together with a singular fiber carrying a nonconstant unramified Brauer class.
- The connectedness criterion is independent of the rationality content and could be reused: any smooth deformation of a singular real variety with smooth connected real locus will have semi-algebraically connected real Puiseux points, so the main task in producing further non-$\mathrm{CH}_0$-trivial examples is finding singular models with sufficiently rich unramified cohomology.
- The invariant computations in the paper suggest that for quadric fibrations of relative dimension at least four, real connectedness often forces low-degree unramified cohomology to be constant; this points to zero-cycle specialization as the discriminating invariant for separating real topology from rationality over real closed fields.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper develops a deformation–specialization method to construct smooth projective varieties over the real Puiseux series field R{{t}} whose real point space is semi-algebraically connected but which are not CH0-trivial, hence not stably rational. Starting from a singular R-variety Y whose real points are smooth and connected, whose singularities are non-real, and whose unramified Brauer group contains a nonconstant class vanishing over C, the authors deform Y to a smooth family over A^1_R. Theorem 1.1, proved both via Nash triviality of Coste–Shiota and via Scheiderer's real étale cohomology, shows that the generic fiber over R{{t}} has the same number of semi-algebraically connected components as Y(R). Theorem 3.1 combines this with a specialization argument in the style of Colliot-Thélène–Pirutka to prove non-CH0-triviality of the generic fiber. The method is applied to explicit singular models to produce: smooth intersections of two quadrics in P^5_{R{{t}}} (Theorem 3.6), smooth cubic hypersurfaces in P^4_{R{{t}}} (Theorem 3.9), geometrically rational conic bundles over P^2_{R{{t}}} (Theorem 3.12), and higher-dimensional examples, including relative quadric fibrations of dimension 7 over P^1 and intersections of two quadrics in P^9 (Theorems 5.3 and 5.6). Section 6 computes low-degree unramified cohomology of the examples, showing that in many cases these invariants cannot detect the CH0-nontriviality.
Significance. If the arguments are correct, the paper settles a natural question by providing the first examples over R{{t}} of smooth intersections of two quadrics and smooth cubic hypersurfaces whose real locus is semi-algebraically connected but which are not stably rational; the analogous question over R remains open. The method is original and flexible: it combines a semi-algebraic Ehresmann-type triviality theorem with a specialization argument that does not require an explicit resolution of the singular special fiber in the main low-dimensional cases. The higher-dimensional extensions via H^3 and unramified cohomology, as well as the detailed invariant computations in Section 6, are substantial contributions. The paper is carefully written, with explicit equations for the singular models and detailed verification of most hypotheses; the main argument does not assume the target result and relies on independent published theorems.
minor comments (5)
- [§3.1–3.3, Lemmas 3.2(d), 3.5(d), 3.8(d)] Condition (d), the existence of a nonconstant unramified Brauer class on the singular model, is the load-bearing input for non-CH0-triviality, but it is imported entirely from [CTP24, Prop. 11.1]. I have no reason to doubt that proposition, but since Theorem 3.1(ii) and all main theorems depend on it, the paper would be more robust if the authors either stated the exact assertion of [CTP24, Prop. 11.1] or added a short direct residue computation for the quaternion class (−1,u) on the explicit equation of §3.1 and its birational transfers.
- [§3.4, Lemma 3.11(d)] The claim that Ker[H^2(R(P^2),Z/2)→H^2(R(Z),Z/2)] is generated by (−1,p1p2), and the verification that α=(−1,p1) is not in this kernel, are compressed into the phrase "par un calcul de résidus". Since this is essential for Theorem 3.12, please expand the calculation or give a precise reference for the kernel statement.
- [§1.1, first proof of Theorem 1.1] The sentence "On a donc V(R)=X(R)" appears to mix R-points and R-points; the intended statement seems to be that every R-point of X lies in the smooth locus V of f. Please clarify the notation in that paragraph.
- [Theorem 5.6] The statement contains a duplicated word: "dans dans P^9" should read "dans P^9".
- [Introduction, comparison with [HT21]] The introduction says that Hassett–Tschinkel and Benoist–Wittenberg establish "non-rationalité" of intersections of two quadrics, while the paper's goal is stable non-rationality; it would be helpful to state explicitly that those earlier results do not settle stable rationality, since the distinction is central to the paper's contribution.
Circularity Check
No circularity: the construction uses prior theorems as independent inputs, and no claim reduces by definition or by fit to its own assumptions.
full rationale
The derivation chain is self-contained in the required sense. Semi-algebraic connectedness of X(R{{t}}) is obtained from Theorem 1.1, which is proved via the Coste-Shiota Nash triviality theorem and via Scheiderer's real etale cohomology; neither proof assumes the target non-stable-rationality result. Non-CH0-triviality is obtained from Theorem 2.3, a specialization argument adapted from [CTP16], using the Merkurjev pairing and two explicit hypotheses: injectivity of the map Phi (Lemma 2.4) and non-surjectivity of the map on unramified cohomology (Theorem 3.1(d)). The latter is verified in Lemmas 3.2(d), 3.5(d) and 3.8(d) by citing [CTP24, Proposition 11.1] for the quaternion class (-1,u). This is a genuine citation to a prior theorem, not a restatement of the present claim; the cited proposition is parameter-free and its stated assumptions do not include the conclusion that the new smooth X are non-stably-rational. There are no fitted parameters renamed as predictions, no quantity defined in terms of the quantity it is said to predict, and no uniqueness theorem imported to force the construction. The dependence on [CTP24] is a verification dependency, not a circular one: whether that cited proposition is correct is a correctness-risk question, not evidence that the derivation assumes its own conclusion. Accordingly, no specific reduction of an output to an input can be exhibited, and the appropriate finding is no significant circularity.
Assumptions & free parameters
assumptions (7)
- standard math Hironaka resolution of singularities (characteristic zero).
- domain assumption Coste-Shiota Nash triviality theorem for proper Nash submersions.
- domain assumption Scheiderer's real etale cohomology and proper base change.
- standard math Merkurjev's norm residue theorem (degree 2).
- standard math Kahn-Rost-Sujatha Theorem 5 on unramified cohomology of quadrics.
- standard math Specialization method of Colliot-Thelene-Pirutka ([CTP16, Prop 1.4, Thm 1.12]).
- standard math Arason's theorem on H^3-injectivity for non-Pfister quadrics.
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abstract
Let $R$ be the field of real Puiseux series. It is a real closed field. We construct the first examples of smooth intersections of two quadrics in $\mathbb{P}_R^5$ and smooth cubic hypersurfaces in $\mathbb{P}_R^4$ which are not stably rational but for which the space $X(R)$ of $R$-points is semi-algebraically connected. The question of constructing such examples over the field of real numbers $\mathbb{R}$ remains open.
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