Improved bounds for lines and 1-separated sets in Euclidean Ramsey theory
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The pith
A 2-coloring of n-dimensional Euclidean space avoids red ell_2 and blue copies of any 1-separated K once |K| exceeds (11 + o(1))^n ln R.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Conlon and Fox showed that if |K| > 10000^n log R then a 2-coloring of R^n exists with no red ell_2 and no blue K. The present work refines the underlying coloring construction to replace the base 10000 by 11 + o(1) for arbitrary 1-separated K of diameter at most R-1, and by 5 + o(1) when K is contained in a low-dimensional affine subspace (in particular when K = ell_m). In dimension 2 the same method yields an explicit coloring that avoids red ell_2 and blue ell_6330.
What carries the argument
refined probabilistic deletion applied to a coloring construction adapted from Conlon and Fox
If this is right
- When K lies on a line the exponential base drops from 11 to 5.
- The same improvement applies to any K contained in a low-dimensional affine subspace.
- In the plane an explicit finite threshold of 6330 replaces the previous tower-type bound.
- The method works for every 1-separated set without further geometric restrictions.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- The gap between the general bound 11 and the line bound 5 suggests that further case-by-case reductions may be possible for other geometric configurations.
- The planar result of 6330 supplies a concrete target that future lower-bound constructions must beat if they hope to improve the Erdős-Graham question.
- Because the proof only modifies the deletion probabilities inside an existing framework, the same technique could be tested on other forbidden pairs such as ell_3 or right angles.
Load-bearing premise
The same style of random coloring and deletion used by Conlon and Fox can be tuned to produce the stated smaller exponential bases.
What would settle it
An explicit 2-coloring of the plane that avoids red ell_2 and blue ell_m for some m smaller than 6330, or a proof that no such coloring exists for any K with size between (5+o(1))^n ln R and (11+o(1))^n ln R.
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Let $K$ be a $1$-separated set of diameter at most $R-1$, and let $\ell_m$ denote a collection of $m$ points on a line, with consecutive points of distance $1$ apart. Conlon and Fox (2019) demonstrated a coloring of $n$-dimensional Euclidean space avoiding red congruent copies of $\ell_2$ and blue congruent copies of $K$ for $|K| > 10000^n\log R$. We show here a stronger bound, that in fact $|K| > (11 + o(1))^n\ln R$ suffices for arbitrary $1$-separated $K$, while the improvement $|K| > (5 + o(1))^n\ln R$ holds in many cases, including when $K = \ell_m$, or more generally when $K$ is contained in a low-dimensional affine subspace. We also make a special study of the case when $n=2$, demonstrating a two-coloring of two-dimensional Euclidean space avoiding red copies of $\ell_2$ and blue copies of $\ell_{6330}$. This latter result addresses a question of Erd\H{o}s and Graham.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript improves quantitative bounds in Euclidean Ramsey theory. Building on Conlon and Fox (2019), it shows that any 1-separated set K of diameter at most R-1 with |K| > (11 + o(1))^n ln R admits a 2-coloring of R^n with no red congruent copy of ℓ_2 and no blue congruent copy of K; the base improves to (5 + o(1))^n ln R when K lies in a low-dimensional affine subspace (including the case K = ℓ_m). A separate planar result establishes a coloring of R^2 avoiding red ℓ_2 and blue ℓ_6330, addressing a question of Erdős and Graham.
Significance. If the stated bounds hold, the work supplies a substantial reduction in the exponential base (from 10000 to 11, and to 5 in low-dimensional cases) for the threshold size of avoidable 1-separated configurations. This is a concrete quantitative advance in the field. The results are presented as direct improvements on an external reference without introducing new geometric hypotheses or free parameters.
minor comments (3)
- Abstract: the original Conlon-Fox bound is written with log R while the new bounds use ln R; a single consistent notation (and explicit base) should be used throughout.
- The specific constant 6330 in the n=2 result appears without derivation or reference to the computation that produces it; a short paragraph or footnote explaining its origin would aid readability.
- The citation to Conlon and Fox (2019) is given only by year; the full bibliographic entry should appear in the references section.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their positive summary, assessment of significance, and recommendation of minor revision. No specific major comments were provided in the report.
Circularity Check
No significant circularity detected
full rationale
The paper presents an improvement on the exponential base in the threshold |K| from the external Conlon-Fox (2019) construction, using a refinement of their coloring/probabilistic deletion method. No equation, definition, or load-bearing step reduces the claimed bounds (11+o(1))^n ln R or (5+o(1))^n ln R to a fitted parameter, self-citation chain, or quantity defined circularly inside the paper. The argument is self-contained against the cited external benchmark, with no self-definitional, fitted-input, or uniqueness-imported steps.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- standard math Standard axioms of Euclidean n-space and the real numbers, including the definition of distance and affine subspaces.
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