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Martin's axiom and $\omega_1^2 \longrightarrow (\omega_1^2, 3)^2$
T0 review · 0 major / 7 minor · reviewed 2026-08-15 · deepseek-v4-flash
Pith's one-line read Martin's Axiom at $\aleph_1$ makes every witness to $\omega_1^2\nrightarrow(\omega_1^2,3)^2$ indestructible by c.c.c. forcing, and a restricted Martin's Axiom model realizes the failure with $2^{\aleph_0}=\aleph_2$.
desk verdict A short, clean forcing result that does exactly what it claims: MA_ℵ1(σ-centered) is consistent with the failure of ω₁²→(ω₁²,3)², plus a preservation theorem under full MA_ℵ1—worth a serious referee, with only minor compression issues. read the letter →
The pith
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
The reading
What carries the argument
The load-bearing mechanism is the $\sigma$-ideal $I=\{X\subseteq\Omega:\operatorname{otp}(X)<\Omega\}$ together with the lemma that $\operatorname{otp}(X)=\Omega$ exactly when uncountably many canonical rows $R_\xi=[\omega_1\xi,\omega_1(\xi+1))$ contain uncountably many points of $X$. This lets the proof transfer a putative new 0-homogeneous set in a forcing extension back to a ground-model set of the same order type. The second piece is local $\omega_1$-$\sigma$-linkedness: every subfamily of size at most $\aleph_1$ is a countable union of linked sets. The preservation theorem shows this property is exactly what keeps the coloring intact, and the iteration theorem for $\sigma$-centered posets supplies the property at each intermediate stage of the consistency construction.
What would settle it
In the iteration of Theorem 3.1, inspect the intermediate forcing $P_\alpha$ at a limit stage $\alpha$ of cofinality $\omega_1$: the proof asserts it is $\sigma$-centered by the quoted iteration theorem, so one can look for a size-$\aleph_1$ subfamily of $P_\alpha$ that is not a countable union of linked sets; if such a family exists, the final poset is not locally $\omega_1$-$\sigma$-linked and a new 0-homogeneous set of order type $\Omega$ could appear, refuting the consistency proof.
Extended reading notes
Core claim
The central claim is a preservation theorem. Let $\Omega=\omega_1\cdot\omega_1$ and let $c:[\Omega]^2\to 2$ be a ground-model coloring witnessing $\Omega\nrightarrow(\Omega,3)^2$. If $P$ is any forcing notion in which every subfamily of size at most $\aleph_1$ can be covered by countably many linked sets, then $c$ still witnesses the negative relation in every $P$-generic extension. The proof takes a name $\dot H$ for a 0-homogeneous set of order type $\Omega$, chooses conditions $p_x\Vdash x\in\dot H$, and uses the covering property to find a linked subfamily whose domain already has order type $\Omega$; a common extension forces all pairs in that domain to have color 0, contradicting the ground-model witness. Under $\mathrm{MA}_{\aleph_1}$, every c.c.c. forcing has the required local covering property, so every existing witness is preserved by every c.c.c. forcing. The consistency model is obtained by a finite-support iteration of $\sigma$-centered posets of length $\aleph_2$ over a model of CH carrying such a witness, with bookkeeping to force $\mathrm{MA}_{\aleph_1}(\sigma\text{-centered})$.
Load-bearing premise
The load-bearing premise is the cited iteration theorem that a finite-support iteration of $\sigma$-centered forcings of length below $\mathfrak c^+$ remains $\sigma$-centered; if that fact fails at some limit stage of cofinality $\omega_1$, the final poset in the consistency proof may lose local $\omega_1$-$\sigma$-linkedness and the ground-model coloring could be destroyed.
Editorial extensions
If this is right
- Under $\mathrm{MA}_{\aleph_1}$, every c.c.c. forcing extension of a model containing a witness to $\omega_1^2\nrightarrow(\omega_1^2,3)^2$ still contains that witness, so c.c.c. forcing cannot be used to prove the positive relation from such a model.
- Every $\sigma$-centered or $\sigma$-linked forcing preserves every ground-model witness to the negative relation, regardless of Martin's Axiom.
- The model built in the paper satisfies $\mathrm{MA}_{\aleph_1}(\sigma\text{-centered})+2^{\aleph_0}=\aleph_2+\omega_1^2\nrightarrow(\omega_1^2,3)^2$, and also $\mathfrak b=\mathfrak d=\mathfrak c=\aleph_2$.
- As a corollary, $\omega_1^2\nrightarrow(\omega_1^2,3)^2$ does not imply $\mathfrak d=\aleph_1$, so the implication from $\mathfrak d=\aleph_1$ to the negative relation does not reverse in ZFC.
- The preservation mechanism is insensitive to the particular ground-model coloring: any witness is preserved by any poset with the local linked-cover property.
Reading between the lines
- A likely next step the paper does not take is to apply the same local-cover argument to larger finite cliques $k$, which may classify which relations $\omega_1^2\nrightarrow(\omega_1^2,k)^2$ are c.c.c.-absolute under $\mathrm{MA}_{\aleph_1}$.
- If the full open question has a positive answer under $\mathrm{MA}_{\aleph_1}$, the paper's theorem implies that the large 0-homogeneous set would have to be created by the initial model or by non-c.c.c. means; c.c.c. forcing alone cannot create it from a ground-model witness.
- The consistency result suggests that the negative relation is compatible with several continuum-sized cardinal characteristics being large, so the partition relation is not simply a cardinal-characteristic boundary; further iterations may show the failure persists with stronger forcing axioms than the $\sigma$-centered fragment treated here.
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Referee Report
Summary. The paper studies the Erdős–Hajnal ordinal partition relation ω_1^2 → (ω_1^2,3)^2 under Martin's axiom. It first proves a preservation theorem: if c is a coloring witnessing the negative relation, then any poset that is locally ω_1-σ-linked (every subfamily of size ≤ℵ1 is a countable union of linked sets) forces with the same c still a witness. Since MA_ℵ1 implies every c.c.c. poset is locally ω_1-σ-centered, every c.c.c. forcing preserves every existing witness in a model of MA_ℵ1 (Theorem 1.1). The second main result builds a model of MA_ℵ1(σ-centered)+2^{ℵ0}=ℵ2 plus the negative relation by a finite-support iteration of σ-centered forcings of length ω2 over GCH, starting from Hajnal's CH coloring; it preserves the coloring via the preservation theorem, and additionally satisfies b=d=c=ℵ2. The paper does not settle the original question under full MA_ℵ1, which is clearly stated.
Significance. If the results are correct, the paper makes solid progress on a long-standing problem of Erdős and Hajnal. It shows that full Martin's axiom does not trivially force the positive relation: any witness that might exist is immune to all c.c.c. forcing, a strong stability property. The consistency result shows that a natural fragment of MA_ℵ1 together with c=ℵ2 is compatible with the negative relation, and it also gives b=d=c=ℵ2. The preservation theorem is clean, elementary, and self-contained, and the local σ-linked condition is a useful new notion. Strengths include the careful forcing proof of Theorem 2.3 and the use of the ideal I to extract a ground-model homogeneous set from a generic name; the iteration part is standard but valid. The main open question under full MA_ℵ1 remains untouched, which is appropriately stated.
minor comments (7)
- [§2, Lemma 2.1] The lemma is stated without proof. I recommend adding a proof sketch of the equivalence and of the countable-union closure, since the σ-ideal property is used in Theorem 2.3.
- [§2, Definition 2.2] The term "σ-centered" is used in Fact 2.5 and Corollary 2.4 but never defined. Add the definition and note the implication centered ⇒ linked.
- [§2, Theorem 2.3] The proof covers only the 0-homogeneous side of the negative relation. Please add a sentence explaining that the color-1 side (no triangle) is preserved automatically because c is a ground-model coloring and any triple of ordinals is absolute.
- [§3, Theorem 3.1] The proof says "The standard nice-name argument then gives MA_ℵ1(σ-centered) and c=ℵ2." This is quite compressed; please specify the bookkeeping (how names for σ-centered forcings and ℵ1-sized dense families are coded by nice names) and why there are only ℵ2 many tasks to handle in an iteration of length ω2.
- [§3, Theorem 3.1] When applying the iteration theorem to P_α, make explicit that GCH gives c^V=ℵ1 and hence α<ω2 = c^{+V}, so the length condition is satisfied at every α, including limit stages of cofinality ω1.
- [§3, Theorem 3.1] "Put a Cohen forcing at cofinally many stages" should state why this is a σ-centered iterand and why it forces 2^{ℵ0}=ℵ2 in the final model.
- [Title and abstract] The typesetting of the arrow relation is scrambled in the title and abstract in the version I read; please ensure the final version renders ω_1^2 → (ω_1^2,3)^2 correctly.
Circularity Check
No circularity: the derivation is self-contained modulo independent cited theorems, with no fitting, self-citation, or definitional entanglement.
full rationale
The derivation chain is linear and non-circular. Theorem 1.1 is obtained by combining the preservation lemma (Theorem 2.3) with Lemma 2.6, which derives local omega1-sigma-centeredness of c.c.c. forcings under MA_aleph1 from Fact 2.5, quoted from [1]; the latter is an independent standard theorem and is not the paper's target. Theorem 2.3 proves preservation from the definition of local omega1-sigma-linkedness and Lemma 2.1, with no assumption of the conclusion. Theorem 3.1 constructs the model from GCH, Hajnal's known negative coloring, and Tall's independent iteration theorem [11] that finite-support iterations of sigma-centered forcings of length below c^+ are sigma-centered; the proof explicitly checks that each P_alpha for alpha < omega2 falls under the theorem's hypotheses (length alpha < c^+ in the ground model, iterands sigma-centered names). There is no fitted parameter renamed as a prediction, no self-citation chain, and no uniqueness claim imported from the author's prior work. The cited external theorems are used within their stated assumptions; any concern about Tall's theorem or the nice-name argument is a matter of proof detail or correctness risk, not circularity.
Assumptions & free parameters
assumptions (5)
- standard math ZFC is consistent (relative consistency statement)
- domain assumption Hajnal's theorem: CH implies omega_1^2 does not arrow (omega_1^2,3)^2
- standard math Fact 2.5: MA_kappa implies every c.c.c. forcing of cardinality at most kappa is sigma-centered
- standard math Tall's iteration theorem: a finite-support iteration of sigma-centered forcings of length strictly below c^+ (ground model c) is sigma-centered
- standard math The bookkeeping/nice-name argument for MA_aleph_1(sigma-centered) in an iteration of length omega_2 under GCH
Cite this review
Pith. "Pith review of Martin's axiom and $\omega_1^2 \longrightarrow (\omega_1^2, 3)^2$." pith.science (2026). https://pith.science/paper/T54LQ7CP
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abstract
Starting with CH and Hajnal's coloring, we show that a standard finite-support iteration of $\sigma$-centered forcing notions gives a model of $ MA_{\omega_1}(\sigma$-centered$)+2^{\aleph_0}=\aleph_2 +\omega_1^2\nrightarrow(\omega_1^2,3)^2.$ We also isolate a simple forcing-preservation principle: the same ground-model coloring remains a witness after forcing with any poset whose subfamilies of size at most $\omega_1$ are countable unions of linked sets. Under $\text{MA}_{\omega_1}$, every c.c.c. forcing has this local property, so every existing witness is preserved by every c.c.c. forcing over that model.
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