Search for Lorentz Violation Using High-Energy Atmospheric Neutrinos In IceCube

Carlos A. Arg\"uelles

arxiv: 1907.04244 · v1 · pith:6KJPFWFVnew · submitted 2019-07-09 · ✦ hep-ex · hep-ph

Search for Lorentz Violation Using High-Energy Atmospheric Neutrinos In IceCube

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keywords Lorentz violationIceCubeatmospheric neutrinoshigh-energy neutrinoshigh-dimensional operatorsneutrino constraints

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Analysis of two years of IceCube data places some of the strongest constraints on Lorentz violation for high-dimensional operators using atmospheric neutrinos.

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The paper examines high-energy atmospheric neutrinos detected by IceCube to test for Lorentz violation. These neutrinos serve as sensitive probes because their high energies make effects from high-dimensional operators more detectable. The analysis of two years of data yields no evidence of violation but produces tight limits on the relevant parameters. A reader would care because any Lorentz violation would point to physics beyond the standard model, and this uses an existing large dataset in a targeted way to search for it.

Core claim

High-energy atmospheric neutrinos observed by the IceCube Neutrino Observatory are extremely sensitive probes of Lorentz violation. Analyzing two years of IceCube data in the search for LV places some of the strongest constraints on LV when considering high-dimensional operators.

What carries the argument

High-energy atmospheric neutrinos detected in IceCube, used as probes whose long baselines and high energies amplify potential Lorentz-violating effects from high-dimensional operators.

If this is right

No signal of Lorentz violation appears in the analyzed dataset.
The resulting limits on high-dimensional LV coefficients rank among the strongest existing bounds.
Additional IceCube data would allow these constraints to be tightened further.
The same dataset and method remain available for testing other possible LV signatures.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

These limits could restrict classes of quantum-gravity models that predict Lorentz violation at accessible energies.
The technique of using atmospheric neutrinos for LV searches could be adapted to other large neutrino detectors.
Cross-checks with cosmic-ray or accelerator data might test whether the IceCube constraints hold across different energy regimes.

Load-bearing premise

The IceCube data and standard neutrino flux models accurately capture all relevant effects without unmodeled systematics that could mimic or hide Lorentz violation signals.

What would settle it

An observed pattern of neutrino arrival directions or energies showing an anomalous dependence that matches a specific high-dimensional Lorentz-violating term but cannot be reproduced by standard atmospheric neutrino flux and oscillation calculations.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 1907.04244 by Carlos A. Arg\"uelles.

**Figure 2.** Figure 2: Constraints on Lorentz violation dimension six operator. Left: Constraints in term of the LV strength (horizontal axis) and the ratio of diagonal to total strength (vertical axis). The best-fit point of the analysis is marked by the standard yellow cross. Right: Constraints assuming a maximally violating flavor texture, i.e. diagonal elements are set to zero, as a function of the real and imaginary parts o… view at source ↗

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High-energy atmospheric neutrinos observed by the IceCube Neutrino Observatory are extremely sensitive probes of Lorentz violation (LV). Here we report the result of analyzing two years of IceCube data in the search for LV. This analysis places some of the strongest constraints on LV when considering high-dimensional operators.

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This IceCube analysis of two years of atmospheric neutrinos sets new limits on high-dimensional Lorentz violation operators, but the abstract gives no visibility into the methods or systematics handling.

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The main point is that the authors analyzed two years of IceCube high-energy atmospheric neutrino data and extracted some of the strongest existing constraints on high-dimensional Lorentz violation operators. The work takes advantage of the TeV-PeV energies where these operators can produce observable distortions in the neutrino spectrum or arrival directions that lower-energy experiments would miss. It is a direct application of existing IceCube data to this search, which adds a new data point to the LV literature even if the underlying dataset is not brand new. The approach follows the standard path of modifying the neutrino Hamiltonian with LV terms and comparing the predicted event distribution against the observed one. If the modeling holds, the null result does translate into tighter bounds than earlier work on the same operators. The paper is therefore useful for anyone compiling limits in this narrow corner of effective field theory. The soft spot is the complete lack of detail on how systematics were treated. Atmospheric flux predictions carry sizable uncertainties from cosmic-ray composition and hadronic interactions, and IceCube reconstruction has its own energy and angular resolution effects. If those are not fully profiled or if there are unmodeled correlations that could mimic LV signatures, the quoted constraints lose force. The abstract supplies no information on the statistical framework, event selection cuts, or any cross-checks against alternative flux models, so the claim that these are among the strongest limits rests on an assumption that standard neutrino physics is perfectly understood. This paper is for specialists working on Lorentz violation tests or IceCube analyses; a general particle physicist would not need to read it. It deserves peer review because it reports a concrete new experimental result on a well-defined question, and referees can check whether the methods section actually supports the strength of the limits.

Referee Report

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Summary. The manuscript reports an analysis of two years of high-energy atmospheric neutrino data collected by IceCube, claiming that the search for Lorentz violation (LV) yields some of the strongest constraints on high-dimensional LV operators.

Significance. If the central claim holds after detailed scrutiny of the methods, this would constitute a meaningful advance by extending LV tests into the high-energy neutrino regime with competitive sensitivity.

major comments (1)

[Abstract] Abstract: The abstract supplies no information on event selection, background modeling, statistical framework, treatment of standard neutrino oscillations, or how LV-induced spectral or directional distortions are distinguished from flux and detector systematics. This absence makes it impossible to evaluate whether the claimed constraints are supported by the data.

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We thank the referee for their comments on our manuscript. We address the single major comment below in a point-by-point manner.

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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: The abstract supplies no information on event selection, background modeling, statistical framework, treatment of standard neutrino oscillations, or how LV-induced spectral or directional distortions are distinguished from flux and detector systematics. This absence makes it impossible to evaluate whether the claimed constraints are supported by the data.

Authors: We agree that the provided abstract is concise and omits explicit mention of these methodological elements. The full manuscript describes the two-year high-energy atmospheric neutrino sample, event selection criteria, background estimation, the statistical analysis framework (including treatment of standard oscillations), and the modeling of LV-induced distortions versus flux and detector systematics in Sections 3 through 5. To improve accessibility, we will revise the abstract in the next version to include a brief statement on the data sample, analysis approach, and how LV signals are separated from standard physics and systematics. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity detected

full rationale

This is an experimental data-analysis paper that reports constraints on Lorentz-violating operators from two years of IceCube atmospheric-neutrino events. The central claim is obtained by fitting a standard likelihood to observed event rates under the hypothesis of LV-induced spectral or directional distortions; the fit parameters are the LV coefficients themselves, not quantities that are redefined or re-predicted from the same fit. No derivation chain, ansatz, or uniqueness theorem is invoked that reduces to a self-citation or to a fitted input relabeled as a prediction. The analysis therefore remains self-contained against external benchmarks (IceCube data and conventional flux models) and receives the default non-circularity finding.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 0 axioms · 0 invented entities

Abstract provides no information on free parameters, axioms, or invented entities used in the analysis.

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We can incorporate the effect of LV into neutrino oscillations by considering the following Hamiltonian H ~ m²/2E + a(3) - E·c(4) + E²·a(5) - E³·c(6) …
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This analysis places some of the strongest constraints on LV when considering high-dimensional operators.

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