On the Diophantine problem related to power circuits
Pith reviewed 2026-05-16 19:49 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
The Diophantine problem over positive integers with addition and multiplication by powers of two is undecidable.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
The Diophantine problem over the structure ⟨ℕ>0; +, x · 2^y, ≤, 1⟩ is undecidable.
What carries the argument
A reduction from a known undecidable Diophantine problem to the solvability of equations in this structure.
If this is right
- No algorithm exists that can decide the solvability of arbitrary equations in this structure.
- Power circuits cannot be used to obtain a decision procedure for the associated Diophantine problem.
- The word-problem algorithm for the Baumslag group does not extend to a general solver for equations in the underlying arithmetic.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- Similar undecidability may hold for structures that replace the base 2 with other fixed integers.
- The result separates the polynomial-time word-problem tractability from Diophantine decidability in groups defined by power circuits.
Load-bearing premise
The reduction from the known undecidable problem correctly preserves the existence or non-existence of solutions.
What would settle it
An explicit algorithm that takes any equation built from addition, multiplication by a power of two, order, and the constant one and correctly outputs whether it has a solution in positive integers would falsify the undecidability claim.
read the original abstract
Myasnikov, Ushakov, and Won introduced power circuits in 2012 to construct a polynomial-time algorithm for the word problem in the Baumslag group, which has a non-elementary Dehn function. Power circuits are computational structures that support addition and the operation $(x,y) \mapsto x \cdot 2^y$ on integers. They also posed the question of decidability of the Diophantine problem over the structure $\langle \mathbb{N}_{>0}; +, x \cdot 2^y, \leq, 1 \rangle$, which is closely related to power circuits. In this paper, we prove that the Diophantine problem over this structure is undecidable.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper proves that the Diophantine problem over the structure ⟨ℕ_{>0}; +, x·2^y, ≤, 1⟩ is undecidable. The proof proceeds by reduction from a known undecidable problem (such as the halting problem) to the solvability of systems of equations and inequalities in this signature.
Significance. If the reduction is valid, the result resolves the open question posed by Myasnikov, Ushakov, and Won (2012) on decidability for this structure tied to power circuits. It shows that the combination of addition and the exponential operation x·2^y is already sufficient to encode undecidable problems, with direct implications for algorithmic questions in group theory.
major comments (1)
- The reduction step must contain an explicit lemma establishing that full multiplication (or the necessary auxiliary predicates for encoding configurations) is existentially definable from +, x·2^y, ≤, and 1. Without a self-contained verification of this definability, the many-one reduction from an undecidable set does not go through.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for the careful reading of our manuscript and for highlighting the need for greater explicitness in the reduction. We address the major comment below and will revise the paper accordingly.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: The reduction step must contain an explicit lemma establishing that full multiplication (or the necessary auxiliary predicates for encoding configurations) is existentially definable from +, x·2^y, ≤, and 1. Without a self-contained verification of this definability, the many-one reduction from an undecidable set does not go through.
Authors: We agree that an explicit lemma would strengthen the presentation and make the many-one reduction fully self-contained. In the revised version we will insert a dedicated lemma (immediately preceding the main undecidability theorem) that proves the existential definability of full multiplication (and the auxiliary predicates needed to encode Turing-machine configurations) from the signature {+, x·2^y, ≤, 1}. The lemma will contain a complete, self-contained verification that the required predicates are existentially definable, thereby confirming that the reduction from the halting problem proceeds via existential formulas over the given structure. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No circularity; standard reduction from known undecidable problem
full rationale
The paper establishes undecidability of the Diophantine problem over ⟨ℕ>0; +, x·2^y, ≤, 1⟩ by reduction from a known undecidable problem. This is a conventional many-one reduction in computability theory and does not rely on self-definitional equations, fitted parameters renamed as predictions, or load-bearing self-citations whose content reduces to the present claim. No equations or steps in the provided abstract or description collapse the result to its own inputs by construction. The derivation is therefore self-contained against external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
axioms (1)
- standard math Standard axioms of first-order arithmetic and computability theory
Lean theorems connected to this paper
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IndisputableMonolith/Foundation/ArithmeticFromLogic.leanLogicNat ≃ Nat (recovery theorem, embed_add) unclear?
unclearRelation between the paper passage and the cited Recognition theorem.
We reduce DP(ℕ>1) to the Diophantine problem over eN ... By Lemma 2.8, we can replace every equation of type (1) by an equivalent system of equations over eN
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