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arxiv: 2604.08187 · v1 · submitted 2026-04-09 · ❄️ cond-mat.mtrl-sci

Bulk versus interface nucleation of CO₂ hydrates from computer simulations

Joanna Grabowska , Samuel Blazquez , Carlos Vega , Eduardo Sanz This is my paper

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classification ❄️ cond-mat.mtrl-sci
keywords CO2 hydratesnucleationmolecular dynamicsgas-liquid interfacebulk nucleationsupercoolingclathrate formation
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Simulations show CO2 hydrates nucleate in the bulk liquid rather than at the gas-water interface under deep supercooling.

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The paper tests whether CO2 hydrates form first at the boundary between water and CO2 gas or throughout the water by using molecular dynamics simulations. They grow pre-placed hydrate seeds at different locations and compare spontaneous nucleation in systems that contain an interface versus those that do not. The seeds grow more readily when surrounded by bulk liquid, and nucleation rates remain the same with or without an interface, always starting in pockets of high CO2 concentration that appear spontaneously in the water. If correct, this means strategies to manage hydrate formation should target conditions inside the liquid phase rather than surface properties.

Core claim

In the deep supercooling regime, CO2 hydrate nucleation does not occur preferentially at the aqueous-CO2 interface. Hydrate seeds embedded fully in the bulk aqueous phase grow more readily than those placed near or at the interface. Spontaneous nucleation simulations yield indistinguishable rates in the presence or absence of an interface. Trajectory analysis shows that nucleation sites coincide with regions of locally elevated CO2 concentration that arise spontaneously within the bulk liquid and are unrelated to any interface.

What carries the argument

Molecular dynamics simulations comparing the growth of pre-placed hydrate seeds at varying distances from the interface together with spontaneous nucleation runs performed with and without a gas-liquid interface, analyzed via local CO2 density and structural order parameters.

Load-bearing premise

The chosen force fields and the deep supercooling regime accurately reflect the relative nucleation barriers in bulk versus at the interface under conditions closer to those in experiments.

What would settle it

High-resolution imaging experiments that locate the first CO2 hydrate nuclei formed under deep supercooling would directly show whether they appear away from any interface.

Figures

Figures reproduced from arXiv: 2604.08187 by Carlos Vega, Eduardo Sanz, Joanna Grabowska, Samuel Blazquez.

Figure 1
Figure 1. Figure 1: FIG. 1. Snapshots of the seed locations and shapes investigated in [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p003_1.png] view at source ↗
Figure 3
Figure 3. Figure 3: FIG. 3. Configurations of the systems during the seeding simulations in which all molecules in the inserted hydrate seed were kept in fixed [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_3.png] view at source ↗
Figure 4
Figure 4. Figure 4: FIG. 4. Changes of size of the hydrate seed during the seeding simu [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p005_4.png] view at source ↗
Figure 5
Figure 5. Figure 5: FIG. 5. Snapshots of the system in unrestrained production runs at 0 and 40 ns. The starting radius of the seeds was 1.7 nm in all cases. [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_5.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 6. Figure 6: FIG. 6. Changes in time of the size of the hydrate seed during production runs. Results are shown in separate rows according to the average [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p006_6.png] view at source ↗
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Figure 7. Figure 7: FIG. 7. Probability of growing of hydrate seeds as a function of the [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p007_7.png] view at source ↗
Figure 8
Figure 8. Figure 8: FIG. 8. Dots indicate the coordinate perpendicular to the interface [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p008_8.png] view at source ↗
Figure 9
Figure 9. Figure 9: FIG. 9. Top panel: size of the largest hydrate cluster in time in representative spontaneous nucleation trajectories in the one-phase (left column) [PITH_FULL_IMAGE:figures/full_fig_p009_9.png] view at source ↗
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Gas hydrates are of great relevance to both the oil industry and the environment. Understanding how these solid structures nucleate from aqueous solutions is essential to controlling their formation. Experimental studies have often suggested that hydrate nucleation originates at the interface between the aqueous phase and the guest-molecule reservoir. To assess this hypothesis, we perform molecular dynamics simulations of CO$_2$ hydrate nucleation. First, we place hydrate seeds at different positions relative to the interface and monitor their evolution, finding that seeds embedded in the bulk are more likely to grow than those located near or at the interface. Second, we analyse spontaneous nucleation simulations with and without an interface. Our previous work showed that nucleation rates are indistinguishable in both systems, strongly indicating that the interface does not play a role. Here, trajectory analysis reveals that hydrates nucleate in regions of locally high CO$_2$ concentration, which arise spontaneously in the bulk and are not associated with the interface. Our results indicate that hydrate nucleation does not preferentially occur at the interface, at least at the at deep supercooling conditions explored in this work. Further work at higher temperatures, and considering alternative nucleation locations, is needed to reconcile experiments and simulations, and thereby reach a deep understanding of the mechanism of hydrate formation.

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Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The manuscript uses molecular dynamics simulations to test whether CO2 hydrate nucleation preferentially occurs at the aqueous-guest interface. Seed-growth trajectories are run with seeds placed at different distances from the interface, showing higher survival probability for bulk-embedded seeds. Spontaneous nucleation runs with and without an interface yield indistinguishable rates (referenced to prior work), with nucleation events localized to spontaneously formed high-CO2 regions in the bulk rather than at the interface. The central claim is explicitly restricted to the deep-supercooling regime studied.

Significance. If the findings hold, they indicate that local CO2 concentration fluctuations in the bulk, rather than interfacial effects, control nucleation at deep supercooling. This provides a computational counterpoint to experimental suggestions of interface preference and underscores the value of trajectory analysis for identifying nucleation sites. The use of independent trajectories and the authors' own qualification that higher-temperature work is needed are positive features.

major comments (2)
  1. [Abstract and spontaneous-nucleation section] The claim that nucleation rates are 'indistinguishable' with versus without an interface rests entirely on reference to previous work; the current manuscript does not present new rate values, error bars, or convergence tests for the spontaneous-nucleation trajectories analyzed here. This weakens the quantitative support for the conclusion that the interface plays no role.
  2. [Seed-placement results] Seed-survival probabilities are reported as higher in the bulk than near the interface, but the manuscript does not specify the number of independent runs per placement, the precise survival criteria, or statistical uncertainties on those probabilities. These details are load-bearing for the qualitative claim that bulk seeds are more likely to grow.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Methods] The force-field choices and supercooling depth are central to the applicability statement; a brief table or paragraph summarizing the exact models, temperatures, and pressures used would improve reproducibility.
  2. [Figures and trajectory analysis] Trajectory snapshots and local-concentration maps should be labeled consistently to distinguish bulk high-CO2 regions from any interfacial enrichment.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their positive assessment and for identifying these points that will improve the clarity of the manuscript. We address each major comment below.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract and spontaneous-nucleation section] The claim that nucleation rates are 'indistinguishable' with versus without an interface rests entirely on reference to previous work; the current manuscript does not present new rate values, error bars, or convergence tests for the spontaneous-nucleation trajectories analyzed here. This weakens the quantitative support for the conclusion that the interface plays no role.

    Authors: The primary aim of the present work is the trajectory-based identification of nucleation sites rather than a re-calculation of rates. The rate comparison is taken from our prior publication, in which the nucleation rates (with uncertainties) were obtained from large sets of independent trajectories. In the revised manuscript we will insert a short paragraph that summarizes the key rate values, error bars, and convergence information from that earlier study so that the present paper is self-contained on this point. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [Seed-placement results] Seed-survival probabilities are reported as higher in the bulk than near the interface, but the manuscript does not specify the number of independent runs per placement, the precise survival criteria, or statistical uncertainties on those probabilities. These details are load-bearing for the qualitative claim that bulk seeds are more likely to grow.

    Authors: We agree that these methodological details are necessary. In the revised manuscript we will state the number of independent runs performed for each seed placement, define the survival criterion (largest hydrate cluster size exceeding a stated threshold), and report statistical uncertainties on the survival probabilities, either in the text or as error bars on the relevant figure. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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Minor self-citation on rates; central claims from independent simulations

full rationale

The paper's key results derive from new molecular dynamics runs: (1) direct monitoring of hydrate seed growth when placed at bulk vs. interface positions, and (2) trajectory analysis of spontaneous nucleation events showing nucleation inside spontaneously formed high-CO2 bulk regions. These observations are reported as independent of any fitted parameter or prior equation. The single reference to 'our previous work' for indistinguishable nucleation rates is supplementary and explicitly qualified by the need for higher-temperature studies; it does not reduce the location-finding or the 'no preferential interface nucleation' conclusion to a self-citation by construction. No equations, ansatzes, or uniqueness theorems appear. The derivation chain remains self-contained within the reported trajectories for the deep-supercooling regime.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

1 free parameters · 1 axioms · 0 invented entities

The central claim rests on the assumption that the molecular models and simulation conditions faithfully represent real CO2-water behavior at deep supercooling; no new entities are postulated.

free parameters (1)
  • supercooling depth
    Chosen deep enough for nucleation to be observable within simulation timescales.
axioms (1)
  • domain assumption Standard classical force fields for water and CO2 accurately rank bulk versus interface nucleation probabilities.
    Invoked implicitly when interpreting seed growth and spontaneous events as representative of physical reality.

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