Geometric entropy and time-like entanglement entropy on a rotating BTZ black hole

Huayu Dai; Mitsutoshi Fujita; Song He; Xi-Hao Fang

arxiv: 2604.15720 · v1 · submitted 2026-04-17 · ✦ hep-th

Geometric entropy and time-like entanglement entropy on a rotating BTZ black hole

Huayu Dai , Xi-Hao Fang , Mitsutoshi Fujita , Song He This is my paper

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classification ✦ hep-th

keywords rotating BTZ black holedouble Wick rotationgeometric entropytime-like entanglement entropyholographic entanglementquotient geometryAdS3 gravity

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The pith

Double Wick rotation equates a quotient BTZ space to a rotating black hole, reproducing geometric and time-like entanglement entropies.

A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.

The paper studies the double Wick rotation of a rotating BTZ black hole and its implications for entanglement entropy in the dual theory. It constructs a transition matrix corresponding to the rotated geometry at imaginary chemical potential. On the gravity side, the quotient obtained from the rotation is shown to match the rotating BTZ black hole exactly once a coordinate transformation and periodicity identification are performed. This matching directly yields the geometric entropy and the time-like entanglement entropy. The coefficient of the linear growth term in the time-like entropy is then used to define a new quantity called Lorentzian entanglement growth.

Core claim

In the dual gravity side, the double Wick rotated BTZ black hole, which is obtained as a quotient, is equal to a rotating BTZ black hole after the coordinate transformation and the identification of periodicity. The geometric entropy and time-like entanglement entropy are reproduced by the identification. New Lorentzian entanglement growth is defined by the coefficient of linear growth of time-like entanglement entropy.

What carries the argument

The equivalence, via coordinate transformation and periodicity identification, between the double Wick-rotated quotient space and the rotating BTZ black hole itself.

If this is right

Geometric entropy on the rotating BTZ is recovered exactly from the identified quotient geometry.
Time-like entanglement entropy on the rotating BTZ is recovered exactly from the identified quotient geometry.
The linear growth coefficient of time-like entanglement entropy supplies a concrete definition of Lorentzian entanglement growth.
The transition matrix at imaginary chemical potential serves as the field-theory dual to the double Wick-rotated geometry.

Where Pith is reading between the lines

These are editorial extensions of the paper, not claims the author makes directly.

The same identification procedure may extend to other black holes whose Euclidean sections admit a quotient description.
The newly defined Lorentzian growth rate offers a possible real-time diagnostic of entanglement dynamics that complements Euclidean replica-trick results.
Coordinate and periodicity adjustments that reconcile the quotient with the physical black hole could be tested in simpler toy models before application to higher-dimensional cases.

Load-bearing premise

The double Wick-rotated BTZ black hole obtained as a quotient equals a rotating BTZ black hole after coordinate transformation and periodicity identification, allowing direct reproduction of the entropies.

What would settle it

An explicit field-theory calculation of the geometric entropy and time-like entanglement entropy for the derived transition matrix at imaginary chemical potential that fails to match the values obtained from the identified rotating BTZ geometry.

read the original abstract

In this paper, we analyze the double Wick rotation of a rotating BTZ black hole and the entanglement entropy. We derive the transition matrix dual to the double Wick-rotated BTZ black hole, which has the usual shape at an imaginary chemical potential. In the dual gravity side, the double Wick rotated BTZ black hole, which is obtained as a quotient, is equal to a rotating BTZ black hole after the coordinate transformation and the identification of periodicity. The geometric entropy and time-like entanglement entropy are reproduced by the identification. New Lorentzian entanglement growth is defined by the coefficient of linear growth of time-like entanglement entropy.

Editorial analysis

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Desk editor's note, referee report, simulated authors' rebuttal, and a circularity audit. Tearing a paper down is the easy half of reading it; the pith above is the substance, this is the friction.

Desk Editor's Note private letter to a colleague

The paper uses double Wick rotation on rotating BTZ to compute time-like entanglement entropy and defines a linear growth coefficient for Lorentzian dynamics, with the central step being a claimed geometry equivalence after coordinate change and periodicity.

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The main takeaway is that the authors perform a double Wick rotation on the rotating BTZ black hole, obtain a quotient geometry, and assert that a coordinate transformation plus periodicity identification makes it identical to the original rotating BTZ. From the dual transition matrix at imaginary chemical potential they recover the geometric entropy and time-like entanglement entropy, then extract a new quantity as the slope of the linear growth in the time-like case. This gives a concrete handle on Lorentzian entanglement growth in the spinning 3D setting. The construction follows the usual quotient and identification methods common in BTZ work, and extending the transition matrix to imaginary chemical potential is a direct way to reach the time-like regime. That part is useful for people who already know the non-rotating calculations and want the rotating version spelled out. The soft spot is the equivalence claim itself. The abstract states that the transformed quotient equals the rotating BTZ, but the strength of the result rests on whether the metric components and periodicities match exactly enough to import the entropy formulas without correction terms. If the full paper shows the explicit coordinate map, checks the periodicity conditions, and verifies the entropy expressions in a known limit such as vanishing rotation, the step holds. Without those details visible, the reproduction of the entropies remains an assertion rather than a demonstrated identity. This is a narrow technical paper aimed at researchers already working on holographic entanglement entropy in three-dimensional gravity, especially those interested in time-like or Lorentzian extensions. A reader who needs the explicit formulas or the growth coefficient for follow-up calculations will find it directly usable. It is worth sending to peer review so that the geometry identification can be examined in detail; the setting is controlled enough that referees can check the steps without broad conceptual issues.

Referee Report

2 major / 2 minor

Summary. The paper analyzes the double Wick rotation of a rotating BTZ black hole and its relation to entanglement entropy. It derives a transition matrix dual to the double Wick-rotated BTZ black hole at imaginary chemical potential. The central claim is that the double Wick-rotated BTZ, obtained as a quotient, is equivalent to the rotating BTZ black hole after a coordinate transformation and periodicity identification; this equivalence is used to reproduce the geometric entropy and time-like entanglement entropy, and to define new Lorentzian entanglement growth as the coefficient of the linear growth term in the time-like entanglement entropy.

Significance. If the claimed geometric equivalence holds with explicit verification, the work would provide a concrete bridge between Euclidean and Lorentzian entanglement measures in BTZ geometries, potentially allowing time-like entanglement entropy to be computed via standard holographic methods and introducing a new notion of Lorentzian entanglement growth. This could have implications for understanding real-time dynamics in black hole spacetimes, though the absence of detailed derivations limits assessment of its novelty relative to existing BTZ quotient literature.

major comments (2)

[Abstract] Abstract: The manuscript asserts that 'the double Wick rotated BTZ black hole, which is obtained as a quotient, is equal to a rotating BTZ black hole after the coordinate transformation and the identification of periodicity' and that this directly reproduces the geometric entropy and time-like entanglement entropy. No explicit coordinate transformation, transformed metric components, or periodicity conditions are supplied, nor are comparisons to the standard rotating BTZ metric or checks in known limits (e.g., non-rotating case or zero temperature). This equivalence is load-bearing for importing the entropy formulas and defining the linear growth coefficient; without it, the reproduction claim cannot be verified.
[Abstract / derivation of transition matrix] The transition matrix at imaginary chemical potential is stated to have 'the usual shape,' but no explicit matrix elements, derivation from the quotient geometry, or matching to the dual CFT transition matrix are provided. This step is required to connect the gravity-side quotient to the reproduced entropies.

minor comments (2)

[Abstract] The abstract mentions 'new Lorentzian entanglement growth' defined by the linear coefficient but does not specify the functional form of the time-like EE or how the coefficient is extracted (e.g., from a plot or analytic expression).
No error estimates, numerical checks, or comparison to known BTZ entanglement entropy results (e.g., standard Ryu-Takayanagi or time-like extensions) are referenced, which would strengthen the reproduction claim.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their careful reading and constructive comments on our manuscript. We address each major comment below and have revised the manuscript to incorporate the requested explicit details and derivations.

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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract: The manuscript asserts that 'the double Wick rotated BTZ black hole, which is obtained as a quotient, is equal to a rotating BTZ black hole after the coordinate transformation and the identification of periodicity' and that this directly reproduces the geometric entropy and time-like entanglement entropy. No explicit coordinate transformation, transformed metric components, or periodicity conditions are supplied, nor are comparisons to the standard rotating BTZ metric or checks in known limits (e.g., non-rotating case or zero temperature). This equivalence is load-bearing for importing the entropy formulas and defining the linear growth coefficient; without it, the reproduction claim cannot be verified.

Authors: We agree that the original manuscript did not supply the explicit coordinate transformation, transformed metric components, periodicity conditions, or limit checks needed to verify the equivalence. In the revised version, we have added a new appendix that presents the full coordinate transformation mapping the double Wick-rotated BTZ (obtained via quotient) to the standard rotating BTZ, including the explicit metric components after transformation, the periodicity identifications, and direct comparisons in the non-rotating limit and at zero temperature. These additions confirm the equivalence and support the reproduction of the geometric entropy, time-like entanglement entropy, and the coefficient of linear Lorentzian entanglement growth. revision: yes
Referee: [Abstract / derivation of transition matrix] The transition matrix at imaginary chemical potential is stated to have 'the usual shape,' but no explicit matrix elements, derivation from the quotient geometry, or matching to the dual CFT transition matrix are provided. This step is required to connect the gravity-side quotient to the reproduced entropies.

Authors: We acknowledge that the original text did not provide the explicit matrix elements or derivation. The revised manuscript now includes a dedicated subsection deriving the transition matrix elements directly from the quotient geometry at imaginary chemical potential, together with the explicit matching to the dual CFT transition matrix. This establishes the required connection between the gravity-side construction and the reproduced entropies. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No significant circularity; equivalence via coordinate transformation is independent of fitted inputs

full rationale

The paper derives a transition matrix for the double Wick-rotated BTZ and states that this geometry, obtained as a quotient, equals the rotating BTZ after coordinate transformation and periodicity identification, allowing reproduction of geometric and time-like entanglement entropies. This identification is a standard geometric equivalence in the BTZ literature and does not reduce any claimed result to a parameter fitted inside the paper or to a self-citation chain; the reproduction follows directly from the external geometric match rather than by construction from the paper's own inputs. No self-definitional loops, fitted-input predictions, or load-bearing self-citations are exhibited in the derivation chain.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 2 axioms · 0 invented entities

The paper rests on the standard holographic dictionary between gravity and boundary field theory, the validity of Wick rotation for entanglement calculations, and the assumption that quotient identifications preserve the relevant physical quantities. No new free parameters or invented entities are introduced in the abstract.

axioms (2)

domain assumption AdS/CFT correspondence maps bulk geometries to boundary entanglement entropies
Invoked implicitly when claiming the dual transition matrix and reproduction of entropies
domain assumption Double Wick rotation at imaginary chemical potential yields a valid transition matrix
Stated directly in the abstract as the starting point for the derivation

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