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RV and TTV Measurements of Two Transiting Long-Period Giants around TOI-4600
Pith reviewed 2026-05-07 12:38 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
New radial velocity and transit data yield masses of 74.7 and 212.5 Earth masses plus moderate eccentricities for two long-period giant planets.
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Core claim
The authors report that radial velocity and transit timing data constrain the masses to 74.7^{+4.7}_{-4.4} Earth masses with eccentricity 0.153^{+0.020}_{-0.018} for the planet with an 82.7-day period, and 212.53^{+13.26}_{-13.03} Earth masses with eccentricity 0.219^{+0.015}_{-0.018} for the planet with a 482.8-day period. The analysis also identifies transit timing variations with semi-amplitudes of approximately one hour in both planets, yielding improved ephemerides for the system.
What carries the argument
A two-planet Keplerian orbital model fitted jointly to radial velocity curves and transit timing variations to solve simultaneously for planetary masses, eccentricities, and timing offsets.
Load-bearing premise
The observed radial velocity variations and transit timing variations are produced solely by the two known planets under a two-body Keplerian model, with negligible contributions from stellar activity, additional companions, or unmodeled systematics.
What would settle it
New radial velocity observations revealing periodic signals that cannot be accounted for by the two-planet model, or new transit measurements showing timing deviations larger than the reported uncertainties.
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TOI-4600b and c, originally identified by the Transiting Exoplanet Survey Satellite (TESS) and reported by I. Mireles et al. (2023), are a rare pair of transiting long-period giant planets ($\rm P_b=82.7$ days, $\rm P_c=482.8$ days) orbiting an early K dwarf. In this work, we refine the orbital parameters of the TOI-4600 system by combining new TESS photometry, ground-based transit follow-up, and radial velocity (RV) observations from MAROON-X. We obtain improved constraints on planetary masses and eccentricities, and update other parameters, such as the stellar age. For TOI-4600b, we measure a mass of $M_p = 74.7^{+4.7}_{-4.4}\,M_{\oplus}$ and an eccentricity of $e=0.153^{+0.020}_{-0.018}$, and $M_p = 212.53^{+13.26}_{-13.03}\,M_{\oplus}$ and $e=0.219^{+0.015}_{-0.018}$ for TOI-4600c. We find significant transit timing variations (TTV) in both planets, with semi-amplitudes of approximately $1$\,hr. We derive Transit Spectroscopy Metric values of 16.87 for TOI-4600b and 10.09 for TOI-4600c, indicating that both planets are promising JWST targets for studying the atmospheres of temperate and cold Jupiters, a relatively poorly characterized sample thus far. These updated parameters and TTV ephemerides are important for planning and interpreting future photometric, spectroscopic, and dynamical studies of the TOI-4600 system.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The manuscript reports refined orbital parameters for the TOI-4600 system containing two transiting long-period giant planets (P_b=82.7 d, P_c=482.8 d) around an early K dwarf. Combining new TESS photometry, ground-based transit observations, and MAROON-X radial velocities, the authors derive masses of 74.7^{+4.7}_{-4.4} M_⊕ and 212.53^{+13.26}_{-13.03} M_⊕, eccentricities of 0.153^{+0.020}_{-0.018} and 0.219^{+0.015}_{-0.018}, and detect TTVs with semi-amplitudes of ~1 hr for both planets. They also compute TSM values (16.87 and 10.09) indicating both are promising JWST atmospheric targets and update the stellar age.
Significance. If the orbital solution is robust, the work provides valuable mass and eccentricity constraints on a rare pair of long-period transiting giants, a population important for formation theories and for atmospheric characterization of temperate/cold Jupiters. The use of new independent MAROON-X RV data and the TTV detection are clear strengths, as they enable cross-validation of the solution derived from prior TESS data alone.
major comments (1)
- [RV modeling section] RV modeling section: The two-planet Keplerian fit to the MAROON-X RVs does not incorporate stellar activity indicators (BIS, FWHM, log R'HK) or a Gaussian-process term. For an early K dwarf, activity-induced RV variations can reach several m/s on rotational or longer timescales, comparable to the planetary K amplitudes; this omission can systematically bias the reported masses and eccentricities that form the central results.
minor comments (2)
- The abstract states that the stellar age is updated but does not quote the revised value or its uncertainty; this numerical result should be stated explicitly in the abstract and results summary.
- [TTV results] The TTV semi-amplitude of ~1 hr is given without a formal uncertainty or significance level; adding these would strengthen the claim of 'significant' TTVs.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their thorough review and valuable feedback on our manuscript. We address the major comment on the RV modeling below and will incorporate revisions to strengthen the analysis.
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Referee: The two-planet Keplerian fit to the MAROON-X RVs does not incorporate stellar activity indicators (BIS, FWHM, log R'HK) or a Gaussian-process term. For an early K dwarf, activity-induced RV variations can reach several m/s on rotational or longer timescales, comparable to the planetary K amplitudes; this omission can systematically bias the reported masses and eccentricities that form the central results.
Authors: We appreciate the referee drawing attention to this potential limitation in our RV analysis. The MAROON-X observations were obtained under good conditions with the instrument's high precision, and preliminary checks showed no strong correlations between the RVs and the available activity indicators. Nevertheless, we agree that a more comprehensive treatment is warranted to rule out any activity-induced biases. In the revised manuscript, we will add a dedicated subsection presenting the activity indicators (BIS, FWHM, and log R'HK), quantify any correlations with the RVs, and test the inclusion of a Gaussian-process kernel in the joint RV+TTV fit to assess its impact on the derived masses and eccentricities. If the GP term is not statistically justified, we will retain the Keplerian model but report the activity analysis for transparency. revision: yes
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; results derive from new independent observations and standard fitting
full rationale
The paper combines new MAROON-X RV data, new TESS photometry, and ground-based follow-up to fit a two-planet Keplerian model and report masses, eccentricities, and TTV amplitudes. These quantities are obtained directly from the new observations rather than by re-deriving or predicting from prior fitted values. Citations to the 2023 discovery paper (Mireles et al.) supply context for the system but are not load-bearing for the new parameter measurements. No self-definitional steps, fitted inputs renamed as predictions, ansatz smuggling, or uniqueness theorems appear in the derivation chain. The analysis is self-contained against external benchmarks.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (2)
- planetary masses and eccentricities
- TTV semi-amplitudes
axioms (2)
- domain assumption Two-planet Keplerian orbital model
- domain assumption Stellar mass and radius from prior literature
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Fitted parameters for the transit modeling of TOI-4600. Reported values are medians with 1σuncertainties.N(µ, σ) denotes a normal prior with meanµand standard deviationσ, andU(a, b) denotes a uniform prior betweenaandb. Parameter Description Prior Posterior Planet b Stellar parameter ρ⋆ [kg m−3] Stellar densityN(2270.0,320.0) 2236 +268 −245 Planet b — fit...
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Reported values are medians with 1σ uncertainties
Fitted parameters for the joint photodynamical and RV modeling of TOI-4600. Reported values are medians with 1σ uncertainties. Osculating parameters are defined in Jacobian coor- dinates and are referenced to BJD = 2458745.0.N(µ, σ) denotes a normal prior with meanµand standard deviationσ, andU(a, b) denotes a uniform prior betweenaandb. Parameter Prior P...
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