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Quantum correlations in QBism's reconstruction program

Sachin Gupta , Jacques Pienaar This is my paper

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Qplex geometry reproduces the Tsirelson bound for CHSH but permits super-quantum violations of the CGLMP inequality.

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This paper tests whether the geometric constraints defining qplex theories suffice to recover quantum correlation bounds when two parties share a system. Joint expectation values are expressed as inner products of C-vectors whose norms and angles are fixed by the qplex rules on valid states and measurements. In the CHSH scenario these constraints force the maximum to equal the Tsirelson bound of 2√2. In the three-outcome CGLMP scenario the same rules allow a larger value than quantum theory reaches. The mismatch indicates that qplex geometry alone does not enforce the complete set of quantum correlation constraints.

Core claim

By expressing joint expectation values as inner products between C-vectors whose norms and inner products are constrained by qplex geometry, the maximal CHSH violation is shown to equal the Tsirelson bound while the CGLMP inequality I_{2233} can reach up to 2 + 2√3/3 ≈ 3.1547, exceeding the quantum maximum of ≈2.8729. These results demonstrate that qplex geometry captures enough structure to reproduce an important quantum bound in the two-outcome case but not enough to recover the full set of quantum correlation constraints.

What carries the argument

C-vectors whose inner products encode joint expectation values subject to qplex geometric constraints on states and measurements.

Load-bearing premise

Expressing joint expectation values as inner products between suitably defined C-vectors accurately encodes the qplex-compatible probability assignments for bipartite systems.

What would settle it

An explicit set of C-vectors obeying qplex norm and inner-product rules that produces a CHSH value larger than 2√2, or a proof that the reported upper bound on I_{2233} cannot be attained within those rules.

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QBism recasts quantum theory as a normative framework for an agent's probability assignments, with the Born rule taking the form of a consistency condition known as the Urgleichung. Motivated by this perspective, qplex theories provide a broader class of probabilistic models in which the sets of valid states and measurements are constrained by QBist-inspired geometric conditions. While qplexes have been extensively studied for single systems, their implications for bipartite correlations remain largely unexplored. In this work, we investigate bipartite correlations in qplex theories by expressing joint expectation values as inner products between suitably defined $C$-vectors. This geometric formulation allows Bell-type inequalities to be studied as optimization problems over qplex-compatible probability assignments. We first analyze the CHSH scenario and show that the shared inner-product structure of the $C$-vectors restricts the maximal value to the Tsirelson bound $2\sqrt{2}$. We then turn to the three-outcome CGLMP inequality $I_{2233}$ and find that the same qplex-derived norm and inner-product constraints allow a violation of up to $\leq 2+2\sqrt(3)/3 \approx 3.1547$ versus the quantum maximum of $\approx 2.8729$, thereby exhibiting super-quantum correlations. These results show that qplex geometry captures enough structure to reproduce an important quantum bound in the two-outcome case, but not enough to recover the full set of quantum correlation constraints. The analysis therefore suggests that additional principles are needed to complete the QBist reconstruction of quantum theory.

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Referee Report

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Summary. The paper claims that qplex theories, defined by QBist-inspired geometric constraints on probability assignments, can be extended to bipartite systems by representing joint expectation values as inner products of suitably defined C-vectors. This formulation yields a Tsirelson bound of 2√2 for the CHSH inequality but permits a violation of the CGLMP inequality I_{2233} up to 2 + 2√3/3 ≈ 3.1547, exceeding the quantum value ≈2.8729. The authors conclude that qplex geometry recovers some but not all quantum correlation constraints, implying additional principles are needed for a full QBist reconstruction.

Significance. If the C-vector encoding is shown to be equivalent to the full set of qplex constraints, the results would demonstrate a concrete limitation of the geometric axioms in reproducing quantum correlations, providing a falsifiable test for the reconstruction program. The inner-product optimization approach is a strength, as it converts correlation bounds into a geometric problem without direct fitting to quantum data.

major comments (3)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract, paragraph on geometric formulation: The claim that joint expectation values are expressed as inner products between C-vectors that 'encode all qplex-compatible probability assignments for bipartite systems' is introduced as a definition rather than derived from the single-system geometric axioms; without an explicit proof that this construction respects independent qplex restrictions on each subsystem (and adds no extraneous freedom), the reported bounds for both CHSH and I_{2233} rest on an unverified equivalence.
  2. [CHSH analysis] CHSH analysis section: The restriction of the maximal CHSH value to exactly the Tsirelson bound 2√2 is attributed to the shared inner-product structure and qplex norm constraints on the C-vectors, but the manuscript does not exhibit the explicit optimization problem, the definition of the relevant C-vectors, or verification that the feasible set matches the qplex geometry; this step is load-bearing for the claim that qplex reproduces the quantum bound in the two-outcome case.
  3. [I_{2233} analysis] I_{2233} analysis section: The upper bound ≤ 2 + 2√3/3 is obtained from the same C-vector inner-product optimization; if the construction omits single-system qplex constraints or permits assignments outside the original geometric axioms, the reported super-quantum value does not correctly characterize qplex theories and undermines the contrast with the quantum maximum of ≈2.8729.
minor comments (2)
  1. [Abstract] Abstract: The expression '2+2√(3)/3' is ambiguous in inline text; rewrite as '2 + (2√3)/3' for clarity.
  2. The manuscript would benefit from an explicit statement of the single-system qplex axioms (e.g., the precise form of the Urgleichung-derived constraints) before introducing the bipartite C-vector construction.

Simulated Author's Rebuttal

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We thank the referee for their careful and constructive review of our manuscript on bipartite correlations in qplex theories. The comments correctly identify areas where the connection between the C-vector construction and the single-system qplex axioms requires more explicit elaboration. We address each major comment below and will revise the manuscript to incorporate the requested details.

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  1. Referee: [Abstract] Abstract, paragraph on geometric formulation: The claim that joint expectation values are expressed as inner products between C-vectors that 'encode all qplex-compatible probability assignments for bipartite systems' is introduced as a definition rather than derived from the single-system geometric axioms; without an explicit proof that this construction respects independent qplex restrictions on each subsystem (and adds no extraneous freedom), the reported bounds for both CHSH and I_{2233} rest on an unverified equivalence.

    Authors: We agree that the C-vector encoding would benefit from an explicit derivation rather than being presented primarily as a definition. In the revised manuscript, we will add a dedicated subsection that starts from the independent application of single-system qplex geometric constraints to each subsystem and derives the joint C-vector representation, including a proof that the resulting inner-product structure introduces no extraneous freedom beyond the original axioms. revision: yes

  2. Referee: [CHSH analysis] CHSH analysis section: The restriction of the maximal CHSH value to exactly the Tsirelson bound 2√2 is attributed to the shared inner-product structure and qplex norm constraints on the C-vectors, but the manuscript does not exhibit the explicit optimization problem, the definition of the relevant C-vectors, or verification that the feasible set matches the qplex geometry; this step is load-bearing for the claim that qplex reproduces the quantum bound in the two-outcome case.

    Authors: The referee correctly observes that the CHSH section lacks the full explicit optimization setup. We will expand the section to define the relevant C-vectors, formulate the optimization problem of maximizing the appropriate inner product subject to the qplex norm constraints, and include a verification (via direct computation or geometric argument) that the feasible set reproduces the Tsirelson bound of 2√2. revision: yes

  3. Referee: [I_{2233} analysis] I_{2233} analysis section: The upper bound ≤ 2 + 2√3/3 is obtained from the same C-vector inner-product optimization; if the construction omits single-system qplex constraints or permits assignments outside the original geometric axioms, the reported super-quantum value does not correctly characterize qplex theories and undermines the contrast with the quantum maximum of ≈2.8729.

    Authors: We acknowledge the importance of confirming that the I_{2233} bound is computed strictly within the qplex constraints. The revision will apply the same explicit C-vector derivation developed for the CHSH case to the I_{2233} analysis, demonstrating that single-system restrictions are preserved while the optimization still yields the reported upper bound of 2 + 2√3/3. revision: yes

Circularity Check

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No circularity: bounds derived from optimization over explicitly stated qplex geometry

full rationale

The paper sets up a geometric representation of bipartite qplex assignments via C-vectors whose inner-product structure is asserted to encode the single-system qplex conditions, then directly optimizes the CHSH and I2233 expressions under the resulting norm and inner-product constraints. The reported values (2√2 and ≤2+2√3/3) are outputs of that optimization, not inputs or redefinitions of the qplex axioms themselves. No parameter is fitted to target data and then relabeled a prediction, no self-citation supplies a load-bearing uniqueness theorem, and the construction is presented as an explicit modeling choice rather than a hidden equivalence that collapses the derivation. The work is therefore self-contained against its own stated assumptions.

Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger

0 free parameters · 2 axioms · 1 invented entities

The central claim rests on the QBist normative framework, the geometric constraints that define qplexes, and the modeling choice of C-vectors; no free parameters are mentioned.

axioms (2)
  • domain assumption QBism recasts quantum theory as a normative framework for an agent's probability assignments, with the Born rule taking the form of the Urgleichung consistency condition.
    This is the foundational perspective that motivates the definition of qplex theories.
  • domain assumption The sets of valid states and measurements in qplex theories are constrained by QBist-inspired geometric conditions.
    This defines the broader class of probabilistic models whose bipartite correlations are studied.
invented entities (1)
  • C-vectors no independent evidence
    purpose: To express joint expectation values as inner products so that Bell inequalities become optimization problems over qplex-compatible assignments.
    Suitably defined within the geometric formulation; no independent evidence outside the paper is provided.

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