Are most detected tidal disruption events partial?
Pith reviewed 2026-06-26 08:11 UTC · model grok-4.3
The pith
Partial tidal disruptions produce reprocessing layers and luminosities matching most detected events for beta at least 0.8.
A machine-rendered reading of the paper's core claim, the machinery that carries it, and where it could break.
Core claim
Using SPH simulations of partial TDEs with mass loss up to fifty percent, the authors find that for beta greater than or equal to 0.8 the mass fallback rate exceeds the Eddington limit, allowing the debris to form a reprocessing layer that obscures the accretion disc and produces optical emission similar to full TDEs. The fallback rate follows a power law closer to t to the minus nine-fourths than the canonical t to the minus five-thirds. With the stated thermal-emission assumptions the models yield blackbody temperatures of about ten thousand kelvin, bolometric luminosities of ten to the forty-two to ten to the forty-four erg per second, and radii of ten to one hundred au, values that match
What carries the argument
the mass fallback rate exceeding the Eddington limit for beta greater than or equal to 0.8, which permits the returning debris to form an optically thick reprocessing layer around the accretion disc
If this is right
- Mass fallback tracks closer to t to the minus nine-fourths than the usual t to the minus five-thirds.
- Derived temperatures near ten thousand kelvin and optical luminosities of ten to the forty-two to ten to the forty-four erg per second match detected optical and ultraviolet TDEs.
- Properties are similar to those of repeating partial TDEs such as ASASSN-19dj, ASASSN-14ko, ASASSN-18ul, ASASSN-22ci, AT2020vdq and AT2022dbl.
- Some events currently classified as full disruptions may instead be partial ones that leave a stellar remnant.
Where Pith is reading between the lines
- If the reprocessing mechanism works the same way, the observational boundary between full and partial TDEs becomes harder to draw from light curves alone.
- The fraction of partial events among all detected TDEs may be larger than current estimates that assume only full disruptions produce bright optical flares.
- Simulations that include non-zero energy orbits would test whether the same Eddington-exceeding fallback and reprocessing still occur for more typical stellar encounters.
Load-bearing premise
The emission calculation assumes thermal emission from the debris, that shock heating is trapped, that electron scattering dominates the opacity, and a color correction f_col of 1.7.
What would settle it
A well-observed TDE with estimated beta around 0.8 that shows bright X-rays without any optical reprocessing signature, or a light curve whose decay slope is measured to be inconsistent with t to the minus nine-fourths.
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read the original abstract
During a tidal disruption event (TDE), a star loses mass due to the tidal gravitational forces of the black hole. In a partial tidal disruption event, a stellar remnant is left behind. Several dozen TDEs have been detected so far, including repeating partial events. We use the Phantom smoothed particle hydrodynamics code to model the disruption of a 1 Msun star around a 10^6 Msun black hole for impact parameters resulting in less than equal to 50 % mass loss. We only consider zero energy orbits. Our simulations show that the mass fallback rate can exceed the Eddington limit for beta greater than or equal to 0.8, allowing debris to obscure the accretion disc by forming a reprocessing layer, similar to full TDEs. The mass fallback rate is shallower than t^{-5/3}, tracking closer to t^{-9/4}. Assuming thermal emission from the debris, that shock heating is trapped, that electron scattering dominates the opacity, and a color correction f_{col} of 1.7, we find temperatures of ~10^4 K, optical bolometric luminosities of ~ 10^{42-44} erg/s and blackbody radii ranging from 10-100 au for our simulations. We compare our values with observations and find support for the previous argument that some TDEs classified as full disruptions might actually be partial. Moreover, our results explain the detected optical/UV TDEs. We also find that our zero energy partial TDEs have properties similar to the repeating partial TDEs such as ASSASN-19dj, ASSASN-14ko, ASSASN-18ul, ASSASN-22ci, AT2020vdq and AT2022dbl. In the beta=0.8, isentropic simulation where radiation is assumed to escape, we find X-ray luminosities of ~ 10^{44-45} erg/s and radii lower than the inner most stable circular orbit.
Editorial analysis
A structured set of objections, weighed in public.
Referee Report
Summary. The paper uses Phantom SPH simulations to model partial tidal disruptions (≤50% mass loss) of a 1 M⊙ star by a 10^6 M⊙ black hole on zero-energy orbits. For β ≥ 0.8 the mass fallback rate exceeds Eddington, enabling a reprocessing layer. Post-processing assuming thermal emission, trapped shock heating, electron-scattering opacity and f_col=1.7 yields T≈10^4 K, L_bol≈10^{42-44} erg/s and R_bb≈10-100 au. These are compared to observations to argue that some TDEs classified as full disruptions are actually partial, that this explains optical/UV TDEs, and that zero-energy partials resemble repeating events such as ASASSN-19dj.
Significance. If the emission post-processing is robust, the result would imply that partial TDEs with β≥0.8 can reproduce the luminosities, temperatures and radii of many observed optical/UV TDEs, potentially revising event classification and the inferred fraction of full versus partial disruptions. The hydrodynamic fallback rates are generated independently of the observational sample, which is a methodological strength.
major comments (3)
- [Abstract] Abstract (emission calculation): The mapping from simulated fallback rates to the reported T~10^4 K, L_bol~10^{42-44} erg/s and R_bb~10-100 au rests entirely on four assumptions (thermal emission, trapped shocks, electron-scattering opacity, fixed f_col=1.7). No sensitivity tests or radiative-transfer validation are shown for the super-Eddington debris regime; if absorption opacity contributes or heating is not fully trapped, the match to observations does not hold. This is load-bearing for the central claim.
- [Results (X-ray case)] X-ray results (β=0.8 isentropic case): X-ray luminosities ~10^{44-45} erg/s and radii below the ISCO are obtained only when radiation is assumed to escape. The justification for switching from trapped to escaping radiation between the optical and X-ray cases is not provided and directly affects the claimed distinction between emission regimes.
- [Comparison with observations] Comparison with observations: The argument that some events classified as full TDEs are partial, and that partial TDEs explain optical/UV detections, relies on the derived quantities matching data. No error bars, convergence tests on the fallback rates, or quantitative fit statistics are reported, so the strength of the observational support cannot be assessed.
minor comments (2)
- [Abstract] The fallback rate is stated to track closer to t^{-9/4} than t^{-5/3}; specify the time interval over which this power-law holds and any β dependence.
- Clarify the precise range of β values simulated that correspond to ≤50% mass loss.
Simulated Author's Rebuttal
We thank the referee for their constructive report and positive assessment of the methodological approach. We address each major comment below. Where the comments identify areas needing clarification or additional discussion, we have revised the manuscript accordingly.
read point-by-point responses
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Referee: [Abstract] Abstract (emission calculation): The mapping from simulated fallback rates to the reported T~10^4 K, L_bol~10^{42-44} erg/s and R_bb~10-100 au rests entirely on four assumptions (thermal emission, trapped shocks, electron-scattering opacity, fixed f_col=1.7). No sensitivity tests or radiative-transfer validation are shown for the super-Eddington debris regime; if absorption opacity contributes or heating is not fully trapped, the match to observations does not hold. This is load-bearing for the central claim.
Authors: We agree that the post-processing relies on standard assumptions also used in prior TDE modeling (e.g., thermal emission and electron-scattering opacity in super-Eddington flows). Full radiative-transfer calculations are beyond the scope of this hydrodynamic study. In revision we have expanded the methods section to discuss the sensitivity of the derived T, L_bol and R_bb to variations in f_col (tested between 1.5-2.0) and to the assumption of trapped heating, noting that the optical/UV match holds provided electron scattering remains dominant. We have also added a caveat paragraph on the limitations of the simple post-processing. revision: partial
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Referee: [Results (X-ray case)] X-ray results (β=0.8 isentropic case): X-ray luminosities ~10^{44-45} erg/s and radii below the ISCO are obtained only when radiation is assumed to escape. The justification for switching from trapped to escaping radiation between the optical and X-ray cases is not provided and directly affects the claimed distinction between emission regimes.
Authors: The switch is motivated by the lower mass-loss fraction and correspondingly lower column density in the β=0.8 isentropic run, which permits radiation to escape rather than being trapped. We have added an explicit paragraph in the results section justifying this choice on physical grounds and clarifying that the optical case assumes trapping while the X-ray case does not. revision: yes
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Referee: [Comparison with observations] Comparison with observations: The argument that some events classified as full TDEs are partial, and that partial TDEs explain optical/UV detections, relies on the derived quantities matching data. No error bars, convergence tests on the fallback rates, or quantitative fit statistics are reported, so the strength of the observational support cannot be assessed.
Authors: We acknowledge that quantitative fit statistics and formal error bars on the fallback rates would allow a more rigorous assessment. The SPH runs use standard Phantom resolution; we have added a brief convergence note in the methods. The comparison is presented as qualitative consistency rather than a statistical claim, given the limited parameter space explored. We have revised the discussion to emphasize this indicative nature and to avoid overstatement of the observational support. revision: partial
Circularity Check
No significant circularity; forward modeling from independent hydrodynamics
full rationale
The derivation begins with Phantom SPH simulations that generate mass fallback rates for partial disruptions (beta <=1) on zero-energy orbits. These rates are then post-processed under four explicitly listed assumptions (thermal emission from debris, trapped shock heating, electron-scattering opacity, f_col=1.7) to obtain T~10^4 K, L_bol~10^42-44 erg/s and R_bb~10-100 au. The resulting quantities are compared to observations rather than fitted to them; no equation reduces the predicted luminosities or temperatures to a quantity derived from the same observational sample, and no load-bearing step relies on self-citation or an imported uniqueness theorem. The central claim therefore remains an independent prediction from the hydrodynamic inputs.
Axiom & Free-Parameter Ledger
free parameters (2)
- f_col =
1.7
- beta threshold =
0.8
axioms (3)
- domain assumption Only zero-energy orbits are considered
- domain assumption Thermal emission, trapped shock heating, electron-scattering opacity
- domain assumption Mass fallback rate directly sets the reprocessing-layer properties
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Cooling Envelope Model for Tidal Disruption Events. , keywords =. doi:10.3847/2041-8213/ac90ba , archivePrefix =. 2207.07136 , primaryClass =
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Little Red Dots: An Abundant Population of Faint Active Galactic Nuclei at z 5 Revealed by the EIGER and FRESCO JWST Surveys. , keywords =. doi:10.3847/1538-4357/ad2345 , archivePrefix =. 2306.05448 , primaryClass =
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Evidence for the Preferential Disruption of Moderately Massive Stars by Supermassive Black Holes. , keywords =. doi:10.3847/1538-4357/ac35d5 , archivePrefix =. 2110.03013 , primaryClass =
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Tidal disruption events: the role of stellar spin
Tidal Disruption Events: The Role of Stellar Spin. , keywords =. doi:10.3847/1538-4357/aafd2f , archivePrefix =. 1901.03717 , primaryClass =
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Disc formation from tidal disruption of stars on eccentric orbits by Kerr black holes using GRSPH. arXiv e-prints , keywords =. doi:10.48550/arXiv.1910.10154 , archivePrefix =. 1910.10154 , primaryClass =
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The Maximum Gravity Model for Partial Tidal Disruption Events: Mass Loss, Peak Fallback Rate, and Dependence on Stellar Properties. , keywords =. doi:10.3847/1538-4357/ae31e3 , archivePrefix =. 2601.02476 , primaryClass =
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Simulating disc formation in tidal disruption events. , keywords =. doi:10.1093/mnras/staa1246 , archivePrefix =. 1906.05865 , primaryClass =
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Finite, Intense Accretion Bursts from Tidal Disruption of Stars on Bound Orbits
Finite, intense accretion bursts from tidal disruption of stars on bound orbits. , keywords =. doi:10.1093/mnras/stt871 , archivePrefix =. 1210.1333 , primaryClass =
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Tidal Disruption Events. arXiv e-prints , keywords =. doi:10.48550/arXiv.2511.14911 , archivePrefix =. 2511.14911 , primaryClass =
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On the Mass and Luminosity Functions of Tidal Disruption Flares: Rate Suppression due to Black Hole Event Horizons. , keywords =. doi:10.3847/1538-4357/aa998e , archivePrefix =. 1707.03458 , primaryClass =
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